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Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18574281 07/11/23
Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky Riflecrank Campfire Tracker
Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Sir Larry, I have similar lever action proclivities as you. Thutty-thutty Mahlon was my first. Pop's last 1894 before the safety and angle eject BS started is a treasure, as is the Ted Williams made by Winchester for Sears and Roebuck, that I found at Biff's Gun World before Biff lost his FFL due to sloppy paperwork. That is my only worn-silver "antique." All the rest are modern resurrections. 30-06, .348 WCF, 38-55 WCF, .405 WCF, 44-40 WCF, 45 LC, .45-75 WCF, and mostly .45-70 Gov't. Had .444 Marlin and .450 Marlin briefly, but decided .45-70 was better. Bought the .348 to convert to .500 B&M Alaskan but figured the .45-70 was good enough. Maybe I should not be so displeased by those vertical split ring makers. They might be OK if you check every screw and lever or nut after every shot. Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

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Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18574317 07/11/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	I thought I was done with wildcats. Not. James Watts needs to be honored with an undoing of the .458 Lott. The .458 Watts Express. 2.7" case fitted into the .458 WinMag chamber with no lengthening of the existing Throat. This corrects the silliness of lengthening the brass by 0.3" while only lengthening the magazine box by only 0.2". Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once Riflecrank #18574490 07/11/23
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jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,934 USA	With 2.7" brass loaded to 3.6" COAL with the 458 win throat loaded to 64,000 PSI would sling 500 grain bullet 2400 to 2460 FPS I think I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once jwp475 #18581540 07/14/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Originally Posted by jwp475 With 2.7" brass loaded to 3.6" COAL with the 458 win throat loaded to 64,000 PSI would sling 500 grain bullet 2400 to 2460 FPS I think Sir John, Yep, just like a .458 WM+, if we wish to push the envelope. Beats a SAAMI .458 Lott. I met with Sir Jerry briefly on Wednesday to adopt a pet of his. It was like Danny Devito meets Arnold Shwartzenegger in the movie "Twins." Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18581548 07/14/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

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Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18581554 07/14/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Safety is a new one for me, an old one for many Mauser fans: Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18581558 07/14/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18581581 07/14/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18581631 07/14/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Muzzle diameter is 0.730", just right according to Goldilocks, or was that Goldilands ? IIRC, this was a fast rifle, and an accurate rifle, with Sir Jerry's handloads. Sluggin' the bore and checking the throat length and twist rate is next. The barrel length is actually 24-1/4" by my measure, with action cocked and measuring rod in bore. That is same length as the 1:10" FN Mauser that was recently liberated from Hilltop Gun Shop and Spa for Wayward Rifles. First order is to compare the presumed 1:14" Karab. 98b MV to the 1:10" twist FN. The latter rifle is now named Freki, like the other wolf of Odin. Freki rhymes with trekkie. Geri and Freki, fraternal twins, wolf littermates, heh-heh-heh. As you were. Using the Hornady factory ammo with verified 500-gr MV of 2140 fps in other 24" rifles of 1:14" twist should be informative. Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18581635 07/14/23
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bluefish Campfire Tracker B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 4,681 Maine	Proper that. The way life should be.

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Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once bluefish #18581695 07/14/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Originally Posted by bluefish Proper that. Thanks for the reply, bluefish. Here is something that would be another proper fashion accessory for Knights of the Square Table at any formal gatherings: That's from the 1982 book by B. R. Hughes: Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18582965 07/15/23
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HunterShooter58 Campfire Regular H Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 1,987 Likes: 1 North Central Ohio	Sir Ron, Once again an Enjoyable read! Rest in Peace Mr. Bagwell as he truly left a tremendous Mark upon those who met and knew him. He is one of those gentlemen I wished I would have met! I know I would have learned a lot from Him! Some Day I will own one of his Gem's! The hunt for one is all the fun. I'm a little picky and I know their hard to come by and I passed on one that I liked but didn't have to have as it was nice but not my first choice if I had one. Truly an Artist! 'Keep Your Powder Dry"! HS 58 I Learned a long time ago to Separate My Want's from My Needs! A man's Gotta Do What a Man's Gotta Do! Know Thy Self! TRUMP DID WIN!!!

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once Riflecrank #18583727 07/15/23
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ldmay375 Campfire Regular L Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,092 Wasilla, Alaska	Very nice rifle. I do not own one of the Butler Creek stocks. But, if they would have continued production, I probably would have one or more of them. Once upon a time, there was the Gun Nutt or similar spelling in Anchorage. He put together quite a few Interarms Mark X / Whitworth with the Butler Creek stocks. The mid-east oilfield reconstruction paid more considerably for his talents than gunsmithing so he closed and moved on. He was a most enjoyable character.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18584859 07/15/23
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Riflecrank Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,360 Likes: 7 Western Kentucky	Any loads for the .458 WM+ can be used in the .458 Watts Express, but may not be safe in a SAAMI .458 Lott, heh-heh-heh. Ron aka "Rip" for Riflecrank Internationale Permanente NRA Life Benefactor and Beneficiary .458 Winchester Magnum, Magnanimous in Victory THE WALKING DEAD does so remind me of Democrap voters. Donkeypox.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18584963 07/15/23
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Wildcatter264 Campfire Tracker W Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,854 Back home in Dixie	Although not exactly a 458 WM, on the way back from the last practice session with my African ready DGRs 3 days ago, I found one of its interesting children on a brief stop at a LGS. This is shop owned by a frequent Africa hunter with a couple of NA sheep grand slams on the wall. Not uncommon to find consignment custom DGR bolts and sometimes SxS DRs. The rifle I saw a couple of days ago is a 416 Taylor by Dakota Arms. For the few uninformed in wildcatting lunacy, that’s a necked down 458 WM case. It was outfitted with an exhibition grade black walnut stock and most interestingly, the bolt was marked as a Shot Show rifle. Execution was flawless, both in metal and in the ribbon fleur-de-lis checkered stock. To my hands it seemed somewhat heavy for caliber - probably at or close to 11 lbs - with a 24” barrel profiled very similar to a Douglas 5A and a 30 mm Leupold scope. Beautiful DGR to handle and behold, but I’ll keep my workaday Ruger Hawkeye 458 WM for field use, a task it will undertake shortly. Last edited by Wildcatter264; 07/15/23. Reason: More info Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty of give me death! P. Henry Deus vult! Rhodesians all now

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once Riflecrank #18584983 07/15/23
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jwp475 Campfire 'Bwana J Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 30,934 USA	Sir Ron, I'd like to stand as best mand for the bride and groom. I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once Hydehunter #18585264 07/16/23
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ldmay375 Campfire Regular L Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,092 Wasilla, Alaska	Originally Posted by Hydehunter got back from Africa 2 weeks ago so I have to get in gear and post a full report but need to figure out how to post pictures as I am a dork when it comes to doing things on the computer. but here is how the cape buff hunt went with my 458 plus P. 404 gr shock Hammer bullet 80 gr AA2230 for 2460 fps. came across the buff standing looking at me with death on his face at about 20 yards PH said shoot him, put a bullet in the left shoulder that went thru the heart we found out later and he spun and ran about 50 feet and went down, got behind him and put the insurance shot between the shoulders and done. neither bullet was recovered. this was a plains game hunt with a cow buff on the plate for 3000 but the Safari owner said if we could come up with an old bull broken horn or not wide I could take him for 5000 instead of the normal 8500 he quoted months ago. I did not tape him but I would say he was about 38 inches but the boss was a good 14 plus inches, wide huge bull. we guessed his weight at about 17-1800 pounds and he was very old probably his last year, a great animal. also took Sable, Kudu, Zebra, and 2 huge warthogs was a great trip to the East Cape For clarification on the not recovered bullets, were they exits ? Or not pass throughs and the bullets were not found during the processing? Last edited by ldmay375; 07/16/23.

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18585685 07/16/23
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pacecars Campfire Tracker P Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 6,999 Tallahassee, FL USA	Gunner500 will be along shortly https://youtube.com/shorts/Kzq8I_i_2sY?feature=share Guns don't kill people, it's mostly the bullets

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once pacecars #18585693 07/16/23
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beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,304 Northeast USA	Originally Posted by pacecars Gunner500 will be along shortly https://youtube.com/shorts/Kzq8I_i_2sY?feature=share Now that is dang cool. That bullet had to make a solid mess of the innards! Semper Fi

Re: The great 458 Winchester. Everyone should own one at least once MikeMcGuire #18586078 07/16/23
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ldmay375 Campfire Regular L Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,092 Wasilla, Alaska	Excellent and definitely cool !

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