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''The Lord is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.'' - Psalm 145:9

Contradicts;

''Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" - (Amos 3:6, KJV)


"The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, He shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: He shall cry, yea roar; He shall prevail against His enemies". - Isaiah 42:13

This version of God is far from being 'good to all,' with no evidence of 'tender mercies all over His works.'

What too many have forgotten, or never understood to begin with, is God's promise is of everlasting life and peace in Heaven, not here on earth.

This is the issue with translations. One must take in overall message rather than picking specific verses to build a belief on.

But sometimes in the midst of extraordinary pain and suffering and injustice, we often find extraordinary faith in God instead of extraordinary doubt.

Some people leverage pain and suffering and injustice in the world to argue against God; some people leverage pain and suffering and injustice in the world to argue against their personal relationship with God.

Should we maybe proceed with caution when commandeering other people’s pain and suffering and injustice to build our case against God…?

Blessed is the soul who can navigate pain, suffering, and injustice here on earth with peace in their heart and faith in God. That is the whole thing in a nutshell. We are not promised physical peace here on earth, but faith in God and His promises of the after life will put our heart and mind at peace no matter what physically happens to us here.

More so, He glorifies himself by carrying us through such experiences as the human race has a history of forgetting Him and glorifying ourselves when everything goes well for a given time.

Thanks for the edifying words of encouragement. They are what I need. By the way, welcome to the 'fire.

To make your time here more pleasant, you might use the "ignore" function.

Seen enough to feel a WTF moment and why do you let dumb schit go on like this Mr. Big guy in the sky.

Seen enough to think it is his wrath on fuuked up people also.

Is what it is.
God can do pretty much what he wants when he wants.

Ain't no one been able to ask him why, get the answer and come back and tell us still using 02 types.

No problem. Hope all is well, or will be.

Thank you for the welcome here.

I saw one of those meme things somewhere, that very succinctly addresses that.

Oh, wait, here it is.

If you really want to be mind blown, research the gnostic texts. At least what's left that the Catholics didn't destroy.

Is there is rational argument against the existence of a good and loving God…the God presented to us by Jesus in the New Testament…based on pain and suffering and injustice in the world…?

I understand that it’s an emotional argument, and when many of us hear people make it, especially based on their own personal pain and suffering and injustice, many of us get it. Many of us understand it. How could a good God allow that…? How could a loving God allow that…? How could a just God allow that…? Many of us totally get that. I think that many of us have enough compassion and empathy to be able to insert into someone else’s question and their hurt. But past the emotion and past the incident, is there a rational argument to be made against the existence of a good and loving God…the God presented to us by Jesus in the New Testament…?

Has Christianity ever made the argument for the existence of a good and loving God…the God presented to us by Jesus in the New Testament…based on a world where bad things never happen to good people…? Has Christianity ever made that argument…? Has Christianity ever taught that position…? Specifically, does the New Testament make that argument, or teach that position…?

Does the whole idea of throwing up all of the pain and suffering and injustice in the world in God’s face to somehow say that a good and loving God…the God presented to us by Jesus in the New Testament…doesn’t exist, even hold water…?

It’s clearly emotional. It’s clearly powerful. It’s clearly moving. But is it rational…based upon the teachings of Jesus and others in the New Testament…?

That dude in the frock is a total dick.

I saw him also in one of those meme things somewhere.

Oh wait, here it is.

Well the bible depicts god as an asshole, so pain and suffering shouldn't be a surprise.

Wrong, that's not how it works.

I can see how pain and suffering and injustice in the world calls into question the goodness and the love and the justice of God, but not the existence of God. This is a really big deal. There clearly is pain and suffering and injustice in the world, and Christians claim to worship a good and loving and right God…the God presented to us by Jesus in the New Testament…who’s all about right things and goodness and love. But the fact is that there is pain and suffering and injustice in the world, so I can see how it calls into question the justice and the love and the goodness of God, but not the existence of God.

To me, it makes more sense to be angry than atheist. It makes more sense to be angry with God. “God, if you’re love and good and just, then why the pain and suffering and injustice…?” It makes sense to be angry with God. But it doesn’t make any sense to me to be atheist based on pain and suffering and injustice in the world. There is a difference between arguing for God’s existence and examining your personal experience regarding God. The existence of God is different than your personal experience regarding God.

I have been a little sore about it since those kids drown in basement of that school in Norman Oklahoma.


That was unnecessary.

I feel ya’ Mr. Conrad. I was working in the ER at the Healthplex in Norman that very day. I stood out front and saw that tornado smash the town of Moore which was a little over 6 miles north of where I was. Our sister hospital in Moore was demolished in that storm. Plaza Towers Elementary School (where those 7 children drowned) was less than a mile WSW of there. The school and the hospital both took a direct hit from that EF5 tornado, which stayed on the ground for 39 minutes over a 17-mile path, crossing through a heavily populated section of Moore.

That's how the story goes.