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Seems like guys who grow up around annual deer camps always wonder if they've got enough rifle
Ranch or farm kids who had a .222 or 22-250 are pretty sure they can handle anything with it...
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Wasn't when younger and less experienced!  Though just spent more than I'd planned to spend ever again on a rifle, chambered in a cartridge that I already had a LOT of experience with--for mostly emotional reasons. But why not? We only go around once.... What'd you get MD? A pre-'64 Winchester .375 H&H--which also might mean going back to Africa again.... I'm envious. One of my first rifles was a Win 70 with a 3-digit serial number in .375, had a 25" barrel and was set up with a receiver sight, not a scope. I still have the itch but probably won't scratch it again. In the mean time, I have a set of dies, brass, and a decent pile of bullets tempting me.
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Here be dragons ...
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The Winchester Model 70 push feed
And the 6.5 Caliber.
OP asked for caliber not cartridge.
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A .32-20 comes to mind. It killed an awful lot of deer (and other targets of opportunity) before someone decided them and .30 carbines wouldn't work. Having owned both, I do think the .357 magnum that kind of replaced them does a bit better.
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one day, i'll take my grandfather's 30 Carbine out deer hunting. it is something my dad (RIP) wanted to do. this year, i have my dad's TC Contender, but i'll switch out the 7-30 Waters (14" muzzle brake) and put my 10" barrel in 30 Herrett. i use a 130gr Speer HP and Reloder 7 and it should be going 1900+/-fps. i have to chronograph it.
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A very underrated rifle/cartridge combination is the (original) Ruger .44 Magnum carbine. Yes, it requires a certain level of maintenance. No, it doesn’t play well with cast bullets (which is all the real experts ever use, right?) But for what Bill Ruger intended, which is hunting deer in the woods (or gorillas in the jungle) there is absolutely nothing better. It carries better and handles faster than any lever gun ever made (and I say that as one of the 99 Savage’s biggest fans. A 240 grain XTP or similar at 18” barrel speeds is a solid 150 yard deer killer. Mine will come to shoulder and deliver an aimed shot faster than my favorite bird gun.
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A very underrated rifle/cartridge combination is the (original) Ruger .44 Magnum carbine. Yes, it requires a certain level of maintenance. No, it doesn’t play well with cast bullets (which is all the real experts ever use, right?) But for what Bill Ruger intended, which is hunting deer in the woods (or gorillas in the jungle) there is absolutely nothing better. It carries better and handles faster than any lever gun ever made (and I say that as one of the 99 Savage’s biggest fans. A 240 grain XTP or similar at 18” barrel speeds is a solid 150 yard deer killer. Mine will come to shoulder and deliver an aimed shot faster than my favorite bird gun. Yes! I love this rifle. It was my grandpas but I love it. I used my ruger 77/44 more now just to make sure I don’t wear it out but I love my 44 carbine.
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All of them.
There are no bad cartridges, just bad hunters, which is why some get used beyond their ranging abilities.
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
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The .25-20, the only one I’ve ever owned was a Marlin CL. Just a perfect small game rifle. The old timers that actually hunted for food knew what they were talking about.
Sold it to a much older friend that sadly passed away before he could sell it back to me.
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Most underrated cartridge I would say 7-08. My first hunting rifle, given to me at age 12-13 by my parents, was a model Seven with the Schnabel tip wood stock and 18 1/2" barrel in 7-08. I'm 46 now and still find it one of the most useful calibers ever. I have killed plenty of deer & hogs with it. I used Remington 140 gr factory ammo before I started rolling my own. Now I use 120 gr T-TSX over Rel-15.
Chris my dad (RIP) would be right by your side saying that. in the early '90s i bought two (mine and youngest son) Remington m7 (18.5" barrels)and my dad bought one m7 (18.5" barrel) and the calibers are 7-08. a 139gr Hornady FN and IMR4320 (both are discontinued) would make venison. i'm asked what caliber my daughter/son/wife/any other person should have? i say 7-08 for factory loads and 7x57 for handloaders. i handload all of my cartridges, so i'll say the 7x57 (3 of them). i would say 4, but i gave the custom FN '98 Mauser in 7x57 to my oldest son. my dad didn't like the wood (too short), so he built a black walnut stock to fit him. he retired the Remington m760 in '06 when he shot a deer with the 7-08. he was a died in the wool '06 fan and 180gr Remington RN factory load goes along with it. he shot alot of deer with that rifle, but after the first time using the 7-08, he was gotten bit by the bug. Yes sir, the LOP on that wood model 7 stock is a bit short. I need to get a McMillan for mine one day. I remember when I would get asked by kids at school what gun/cartridge I hunted with, and I'd say 7-08, the universal response back then was, "what's that?", LOL!
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I've been using the .308 for going on 60 years. Not that I haven't been distracted along the way.......But it has come down to:
Rifle............. Ruger M77/Hawkeye All Weather.
Chambering...308 Winchester.
Pretty much do anything go anywhere.
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My choices:
338-06
9.3x66 (370 Sako Mag.)
If what someone stated earlier as criteria for underrated is, the lack of factory ammo, these two excellent cartridges definitely qualify.
I own both rounds in great rifles: a Dakota & a Parkwest in 338-06, and an AHR CZ550 in 9.3x66.
I just came back from a Zambia safari a week ago in the Bangweulu Swamp, where I used the 9.3x66 to take Side Stripped Jackel, Tsessebe, Black Lechwe, & a 46” Buffalo. The Buffalo, and all the others, were taken with a 286 gr. NP. It’s a great caliber/cartridge.
Pics of the 46” Buffalo were posted on AR by my PH Andrew Baldry, under the first subtopic African Big Game Hunting and the title ‘Dream Safari’ if anyone is interested.
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My choices:
338-06
9.3x66 (370 Sako Mag.)
If what someone stated earlier as criteria for underrated is, the lack of factory ammo, these two excellent cartridges definitely qualify.
I own both rounds in great rifles: a Dakota & a Parkwest in 338-06, and an AHR CZ550 in 9.3x66.
I just came back from a Zambia safari a week ago in the Bangweulu Swamp, where I used the 9.3x66 to take Side Stripped Jackel, Tsessebe, Black Lechwe, & a 46” Buffalo. The Buffalo, and all the others, were taken with a 286 gr. NP. It’s a great caliber/cartridge.
Pics of the 46” Buffalo were posted on AR by my PH Andrew Baldry, under the first subtopic African Big Game Hunting and the title ‘Dream Safari’ if anyone is interested. I am sure the 9.3x66 is a great round--but have posted elsewhere that I met the guy who developed it during a tour of the Sako factory in 2015, Kari Kuparinen. He didn't think it added to the 9.3x62's capability, especially when the 9.3x62 is loaded to "modern" pressures. Instead he thought it would give the people we often call "rifle loonies" something new to fool with. Which is a similar marketing scheme often used in the U.S.A., believe it or not. (Oh, and he'd used it in Africa just a few months before.) One of the interesting things I've found while using the 9.3x62 in Africa is how many PHs highly respect it's capabilities--and often give the go-ahead to use it on buffalo even when it's supposedly not legal in that particular jurisdiction. But concur that the 286 Nosler Partition does work great on big game well over 1000 pounds....
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Funny how much is underrated now that was all the rage when it started.
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One of the interesting things I've found while using the 9.3x62 in Africa is how many PHs highly respect it's capabilitie--and often give the go-ahead to use it on buffalo even when it's supposedly not legal in that particular jurisdiction. ... So very true. More so when you and the PH already have some history (of the good kind). I mentioned I was bringing the 9.3x62 on my most recent buffalo hunt. All he asked was 'which bullet?'. I told him I was bringing 300 grain A-Frame handloads and his response was 'don't bother bringing solids. Won't need them'.
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
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Yep! Have found more PHs have started telling buffalo hunters to not bother with solids in the last few years, because today's "softs" are so good.
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7 x 57 is the cartridge. Not sure about the rifle I would choose.
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Don't know how the 7x57 is "underrated." Please explain--though I suspect you actually mean "not chambered" by many of today's rifle manufacturers.
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i use a Husqvarna m46 in 9.3x57 that uses a 275gr WFN GC with IMR4895 that goes 1800-1900fps (i didn't chronograph it, yet). it is a nice load for deer or black bear. i had a bag or two of 286gr Prvi RN. i think they were going 2100 or 2200fps+/- and they got 3/4 - 1 1/2" group at 100 yards (5 shots/bench). i think that Europeans don't want the Americans to have a 9.3mm cartridge.  9.3x57 and 280gr RN GC ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/xvwPkvd.jpg) 275gr WFN GC ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/fbHYQHz.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/Y3JruuL.jpg)
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