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Originally Posted by RHClark
I've basically got it down to just two words now. Trust God!


Which god?

I think you'll find that you meant to type "faith" instead of "trust". For trust you'd need for something to exist and be shown as trustworthy, otherwise it's only faith.


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Originally Posted by antlers
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"Addressing Christianity as it is truly taught."

I doubt you can find 2 Christians here that could agree on that.
It’s the essentials of Christianity that really matter. It’s OK for folks to have the personal freedom to hold varying interpretations on theological issues that are non-essentials. There were disagreements among Jesus’ own apostle’s. The apostle Paul refers to some examples of disputable matters in Romans 14.


That pains a broad picture. The evidence suggests that those discrepancies were addressed and corrected

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Originally Posted by antlers
Jesus was a great leader and a great teacher. If one doubts His resurrection, you’re in good company. Even His closest disciple’s were skeptical. But those same followers went on to become the spokesmen of Jesus’ ekklesia. They maintained their faith in the midst of incredible pain and suffering and injustice. They were beaten and tortured and killed still claiming that Jesus was their risen Savior.

So what do you make of this defining event ~ the one that became the very foundation of their faith…?

Easy, they had no rational justification for their faith and it got them killed. Defiant dickheads I'd say.


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The arguments against Christianity in this thread are laid out as a straw man argument. The basis for the reasoning redefines and misrepresents the Christian faith. Until this who disagree come to the discussion addressing Christianity as it it truly taught this thread is just white noise.

"Addressing Christianity as it is truly taught."

I doubt you can find 2 Christians here that could agree on that.


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Catholics and protestants, for example, get on so well together with their common faith core.


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Yo! Easy, fer shure, day had nah ratahonal jus'ahfahcatahon for daahr faahth a' aht got dem kahlled. Defahat dahckheads I'd say. Slap mah fro!

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Even critics are generally accepting the resurrection. You are behind the times.


LOL!!!

No critical thinker believes the resurrection for good reason that there is no evidence that anything like this has ever, or would ever, happen. You are way, way behind the times.


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Originally Posted by Feral_American
If NOTHING ELSE, is not the Ten Commandments a good way to live your life by?

Half of them are pretty much useless as they are just about a self-centred arrogant god. Ain't nobody got time for that. You'd think that a loving god would have something better to say than that - what a waste of dictation.


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The essentials of Christianity are pretty clear and concise and simple to me. It’s about putting one’s trust and confidence in the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf; He did everything that was necessary for our salvation. All of our sin…past and present and future…has already been paid for by Him. Putting our trust and confidence in the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf..and NOTHING else…is where it’s at ~ for me anyway.

I don’t have to believe in the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative (an example of a non-essential belief) to receive salvation. But I do have to believe in the Gospel (an essential belief) to receive salvation.


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Originally Posted by antlers
The essentials of Christianity are pretty clear and concise and simple to me. It’s about putting one’s trust and confidence in the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf; He did everything that was necessary for our salvation. All of our sin…past and present and future…has already been paid for by Him. Putting our trust and confidence in the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf..and NOTHING else…is where it’s at ~ for me anyway.

I don’t have to believe in the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative (an example of a non-essential belief) to receive salvation. But I do have to believe in the Gospel (an essential belief) to receive salvation.

Except there's no reason to believe in sin as a thing; what sacrifice was there? (is J-dog burning in hell on our behalf?); and no reason to believe in salvation being a thing either. Reject Genesis and the whole story becomes invalid - I think you are starting to see the light. There are demonstrable fundamental errors in Genesis.


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If NOTHING ELSE, is not the Ten Commandments a good way to live your life by?

Half of them are pretty much useless as they are just about a self-centred arrogant god. Ain't nobody got time for that. You'd think that a loving god would have something better to say than that - what a waste of dictation.


That's a lot of energy spent by you God haters hating on something you insist doesn't exist. If you ain't got time for that, then why spend so much time on it?

Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

Your denial of God will exceed your wildest expectations.


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Originally Posted by antlers
The essentials of Christianity are pretty clear and concise and simple to me. It’s about putting one’s trust and confidence in the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf; He did everything that was necessary for our salvation. All of our sin…past and present and future…has already been paid for by Him. Putting our trust and confidence in the sacrifice that Jesus made on our behalf..and NOTHING else…is where it’s at ~ for me anyway.

I don’t have to believe in the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative (an example of a non-essential belief) to receive salvation. But I do have to believe in the Gospel (an essential belief) to receive salvation.


I may have said the same a few years ago. Let's just suppose somebody never heard the name Jesus all their life, but they looked at everything larger than themselves and honestly prayed to and trusted in the God, even though they didn't know the name Jesus, does it matter?

Isn't Jesus still that man's savior, even if he doesn't know his name? How many names did Jesus have anyway? If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one as scripture says, isn't trusting Jesus also trusting God?

Weren't the OT saints also saved by faith in Jesus since he is called the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world? They didn't know anything about him but their trust in God was sufficient, so did their trust in God in effect amount to trust in Jesus? I think maybe it did.

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If NOTHING ELSE, is not the Ten Commandments a good way to live your life by?

Half of them are pretty much useless as they are just about a self-centred arrogant god. Ain't nobody got time for that. You'd think that a loving god would have something better to say than that - what a waste of dictation.


That's a lot of energy spent by you God haters hating on something you insist doesn't exist. If you ain't got time for that, then why spend so much time on it?

Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

Your denial of God will exceed your wildest expectations.

That's a lot of energy spent by you God lovers on something you insist exists. If you can't show it to be true, why do you believe it to be true, and want others to join the bandwagon?

Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

Your belief in a God, and associated wild expectations, exceeds the grasp of reality.


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The OT trust was in the promise of the Messiah. Christ said of himself that the OT texts, the law and prophets spoke of him.


Somehow we’ve missed that in the modern era but Christ is central in the OT texts.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

Your belief in a God, and associated wild expectations, exceeds the grasp of reality.

More importantly why do you care so much what we believe?

Why does it disturb you so much what we believe that you have to intentionally and repeatedly insult us and our God if it’s so “silly, juvenile at a minimum”?

Your last sentence was obviously a mistake on your part because I agree with you. My (our) God does exceed one’s grasp of reality and his promises ARE greater than our wild expectations…..

If that last sentence is true and I assume it is because YOU said it yourself then why would you still insult us for believing in His Greatness?


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things create themselves all the time , from absolutely nuthin', I seen it on utube

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Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

Your belief in a God, and associated wild expectations, exceeds the grasp of reality.

More importantly why do you care so much what we believe?

Your lot are the ones dumping their crap in my letterbox, and persecuting those that don't comply with your lot's fairy tales.

You don't seem to care about what may be true.


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.... that you have to intentionally and repeatedly insult us and our God if it’s so “silly, juvenile at a minimum”?
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Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

I resurrected and reused that part from Feral_American - you'll have to ask him why he thinks rationality and skepticism are juvenile.


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Bullshit….you ARE a liar, plain and simple!

Nobody is forcing you to open these threads and respond. Nobody is dropping sh.it in “your fa.ggot ass “letter box”, boy! You don’t possess self control and you blame others like the cowardly Aussie cu.nt you are….fu.cking pussy. At least take responsibility for your stupidity and lack of self control, boy.
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Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

Your belief in a God, and associated wild expectations, exceeds the grasp of reality.

More importantly why do you care so much what we believe?

Your lot are the ones dumping their crap in my letterbox, and persecuting those that don't comply with your lot's fairy tales.

You don't seem to care about what may be true.


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.... that you have to intentionally and repeatedly insult us and our God if it’s so “silly, juvenile at a minimum”?
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Silly, juvenile, at a minimum.

I resurrected and reused that part from Feral_American - you'll have to ask him why he thinks rationality and skepticism are juvenile.


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Originally Posted by IZH27
The OT trust was in the promise of the Messiah. Christ said of himself that the OT texts, the law and prophets spoke of him.


Somehow we’ve missed that in the modern era but Christ is central in the OT texts.

Once the Levitical priesthood is established it is very clear to see the sacrifices as symbolically pointing to the ultimate Sacrifice of Jesus. I think their faith in the sacrifices as taking care of their sins was symbolically faith in Jesus even if they weren't looking at him specifically.

If we go back to Abraham, the scripture simply says Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. He had no concept of the Messiah.

I personally think that there's just no time in God as we think of time. I think all times are one in God. Didn't all prophets see the future to us times within the Spirit of God? I think Jesus is the savior from first to last regardless of when the actual sacrifice happened in our time. Abraham Believed God and in so doing had faith in the Jesus to come just as much as those who sing his name every Sunday.

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