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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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If LE gets a 9-1-1 call from a residence they are obligated to investigate. If you don't answer the door then how would the officer outside know that there wasn't someone injured inside and unable to answer but needed immediate medical attention? Or maybe there was some sort of violent attack of some sort going on and upon his arrival, the attacker was holding the people inside quiet by force? If the officer just shrugs and walks away and then later it is discovered someone in that house died from a medical emergency or had been murdered how does that reflect on the LE officer and agency? If you want to escalate the situation just yell "go away" from inside and refuse to answer the door. Knowing all the possibilities that could be happening how would YOU handle such a situation?

Good reason for Leo to get a welfare check order and bust in a front door?

I doubt they would need a court order. This probably falls under the care taking exception.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Originally Posted by MOGC
If LE gets a 9-1-1 call from a residence they are obligated to investigate. If you don't answer the door then how would the officer outside know that there wasn't someone injured inside and unable to answer but needed immediate medical attention? Or maybe there was some sort of violent attack of some sort going on and upon his arrival, the attacker was holding the people inside quiet by force? If the officer just shrugs and walks away and then later it is discovered someone in that house died from a medical emergency or had been murdered how does that reflect on the LE officer and agency? If you want to escalate the situation just yell "go away" from inside and refuse to answer the door. Knowing all the possibilities that could be happening how would YOU handle such a situation?

Good reason for Leo to get a welfare check order and bust in a front door?

I doubt they would need a court order. This probably falls under the care taking exception.

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Good idea to call 911 yourself and verify there's an officer(s) at your door.


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Originally Posted by MOGC
If LE gets a 9-1-1 call from a residence they are obligated to investigate. If you don't answer the door then how would the officer outside know that there wasn't someone injured inside and unable to answer but needed immediate medical attention? Or maybe there was some sort of violent attack of some sort going on and upon his arrival, the attacker was holding the people inside quiet by force? If the officer just shrugs and walks away and then later it is discovered someone in that house died from a medical emergency or had been murdered how does that reflect on the LE officer and agency? If you want to escalate the situation just yell "go away" from inside and refuse to answer the door. Knowing all the possibilities that could be happening how would YOU handle such a situation?

One might think a call to dispatch asking why they had an officer on your porch would sort matters in a safe manner. Real cop or not.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
Good idea to call 911 yourself and verify there's an officer(s) at your door.

For sure.


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At least he didn't shoot your dog.

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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by MOGC
If LE gets a 9-1-1 call from a residence they are obligated to investigate. If you don't answer the door then how would the officer outside know that there wasn't someone injured inside and unable to answer but needed immediate medical attention? Or maybe there was some sort of violent attack of some sort going on and upon his arrival, the attacker was holding the people inside quiet by force? If the officer just shrugs and walks away and then later it is discovered someone in that house died from a medical emergency or had been murdered how does that reflect on the LE officer and agency? If you want to escalate the situation just yell "go away" from inside and refuse to answer the door. Knowing all the possibilities that could be happening how would YOU handle such a situation?
Not your/my problem.

Never answer the door and never talk to the police, ever.

Please, answer the question. How would you respond to such a situation if you were the officer dispatched there to a 9-1-1 call and nobody in the house answered the door or someone inside yelled "Go away, nobody called you", what do you now do?


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In this situation,

Call 911 immediately. First to verify if LEO is infact at your door. If they aren't you're gonna want 911 on the phone anyway. Calmly and firmly inform the "officer" outside you are calling 911 to verify him/her. That will back LEO down half a notch from high alert as they will respect what you're doing. I personally don't know a cop that would escalate beyond that if youre on the phone with a dispatcher. Once verified do the right thing and work it out with them.


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Originally Posted by DMc
How does a short in a telephone line create a 911 call?


The telephone switching equipment sees the multiple shorts across the line as dial pulses, as from a rotary dial phone. I seem to recall that before I retired my company was planning to disable the dial pulse receivers since no one used or even made those phones any more.

Early in my career, the situation was reversed, not all of the equipment could handle touchtones, and when someone wanted touchtone service, their line location often had to be moved to provide access. Since only company-provided phones were legal then, that switch was made in coordination with a service call to install the new phone. Those early TT phones wouldn’t work if the line Tip and Ring pair was reversed either, which happened occasionally during cable work, or when people tried to DIY an extension (also illegal). It was common for people to acquire a touchtone telephone somehow and then find it didn’t work because either the line was flipped or their office equipment wasn’t TT capable.

Things certainly have changed!


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At least the officer was professional and you handled things calmly. They’re supposed to be skeptical.
How does the deputy know that your wife isn't tied up in a back room and you were beating her ?? My guess is you two are not on a first name basis. I had a guy who refused to let me in the house and he wouldn't bring his wife to the door and talk to me. As it turned out, he had her in the basement beating her. Their son was home and he answered the door but he didn't say a thing about what was going on. His dad must of really had him intimidated.

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This happens a lot with people that still have land lines

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Sounds like the OP lives in butt-fugk nowheresville.


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My agency handles on average 125, 911 hang ups/ misdials in a two week period. We send two Deputies on every call. We never know what we re going to find when we arrive.

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Originally Posted by deflave
Sounds like the OP lives in butt-fugk nowheresville.

You could call it that. Not in town at all and the one close isn't much but I like rural life.

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I would have slipped out the back door 870 12ga. pump in hand then eased around to the front of the house.


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Around five years ago, we had a similar experience three times over about a one year period.

All three incidents occurred in the middle of the night. All three arrived with their lights on. They all three knocked on the door.

The first one was a male LEO. He was pretty cool, said they received a 911 call from this address. Told him we did not even have a phone in the house. He made sure both my wife and I were good, never came in the house, all good.

The second one was a female deputy. She was beating on my door, yelling and screaming. I never let her in the house. We told her we did not have a phone. She finally left. She was a disgrace to the uniform.

The third time was much like the first, he was the most professional of the three.

We had a DSL line for internet. After the third time we had it disconnected and it never happened again.

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It was mentioned knowing the local LEOs. There was a time when I did. Now there is such a turn around in the departments that's not easy to do. We have gotten some good people though. The officer that came to my door seemed like a squared away fellow. I understand his concern and not taking for granted something bad was not going on. I think he took a risk by shining the light in my window. Doing it here was a safe bet for him since I'd never shoot anyone without cause and for me that's not threatening those of us in our home so there is no cause. He made no effort to come inside my house either. I would have let him had he asked and even offered to take him to the shop so he could hear for himself there was no dial tone on the phone.

I didn't think of calling 911 to verify him being here. If there's a next time I will. I did call the sheriff's office to explain to the lady that took my call what happened and asked her to let the officer know I had called, I don't want him or any of them getting the idea my home and family are where criminals reside or even people that would pull a prank on them by calling 911 and hanging up. I have lived my life to police myself and live within the law so my interactions with LEO are kept to a minimum.

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Paranoia will destroya.
Hell, we had a party lately (mostly old grey-haired retireds) and the sheriff showed up saying a 911 call came from here. It was my buddies cell phone, he butt-dialed it; and he is retired LEO. No dogs were harmed.
It is good to have lights outside that are motion activated, or at least switched on the inside of the door.

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Originally Posted by Jim1611
A few nights ago at about 1:00 a.m. my dog was really raising a ruckus. I got up without turning on any lights and made sure my wife didn't either. Then someone is shining a flashlight in through my windows. I could see someone on the porch and then that person knocked. I asked in a very loud voice who are you. I could see a car in the driveway but not enough to make out what kind or anything else. Then he announces he's a deputy of our county and that he was investigating a 911 hang up call from this location. Made from a land line. My first thought was someone kin to me died. We don't have a land line in the house and I told him that and my shop phone went dead the day before from the water company digging into the line. I opened the door then. He then said there was a call made from here again. I offered to let him check the shop phone himself and mentioned again it was dead. I told him the only way it could have been mine was by the line shorting out somewhere. He seemed skeptical. After asking me several questions he left.

The phone tech guy came by a couple of days later and I told him the story. He said the line most likely did short out and that it happens all the time. I called the sheriff's office to let them know all of this and she told me they get allot of these where the line shorts out. I've been thinking about all of this since and it makes me uneasy the way the officer handled himself. I suppose he was looking at things that there could be a crime in progress and someone made the call but got cut short. Allot of reasons and thoughts but here I am seeing someone shine a light in my house and how do I know it's not some whack job intent on shooting us. Most of my interactions with LEOs have always been positive and I have never been arrested to have a criminal record. It also makes me aware of how a knock in the night might not be what we might think.

That's why you don't shoot through the door before they try to knock it down. I would have also made him light up the side of his car so I could see the reflective "Sheriff" emblem before opening the door, anyone can say "I'm from the sheriff's department".


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I don't WANT to know any of our local PD folks.
Several have been busted, lately, for drug offenses. Fox in the henhouse, so to speak.
The NMSP or the local Sheriff's folks - I wouldn't mind knowing.
All the LEO I know are retired, now.


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