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I have never killed a Buffalo, lion or elephant with an empty rifle and I am always loaded in the chamber in the African bush..I always carry a round in the chamber when actually hunting. You will not get a shot on many ocassions with a round not in the chamber, you will be a stumbling, fumbling, dork trying to load a rifle in a tight spot or on a disapearing animal..ONly on national TV and apparantly the internet can everyone sit and talk and wait and load before they take that broadside perfect shot..Where I hunt its a bit more hectic than that..You have a window of opertunity and you had better take advantage of it...A gun pointed at nobody is a safe gun.

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common since should be a perfect guide but I see from 42 posts this has not been the case.

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Ray, agree mostly with you except "A gun pointed at nobody is a safe gun"... that simply isn't true as Remington concluded forty years ago that 100% safe gun handling is never possible.

I only keep one up the spout when I'm on the trail of something, until then the chamber is empty but then I mostly hunt alone so it's a moot point.


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Originally Posted by Jeff_Olsen
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The Cliff Notes version is: about a 75/25 ratio of guys who hunt with one vs. guys who don't... ...



What was the percentage for the "It depends on the situation" camp?


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Good question- I don't know. It would be WAY up there, though. Personally, if I'm putting the rifle in a position where it could be mechanically dismembered, like in a scabbard on a horse or climbing up a cliff or something, it will be unchambered. I'm guess that's true of EVERYONE. So I'd say the 'it depends...' camp is virtually everyone, ultimatly.

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Even a two-year-old can see the problem with this.

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Is this dead enough?

Now, let's argue about something else.

Hey, I know, "Jeff, I didn't know Oregon was an island in the Aleutians." (You are west of me, right?)

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Guess I better change it to "West of "almost all" of you, Oregon"!

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Personally, if I'm putting the rifle in a position where it could be mechanically dismembered, like in a scabbard on a horse or climbing up a cliff or something, it will be unchambered.

Say, south-of-me-Jeff, I thought that BLR was bullet-proof? Sort of a pun there!


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You damn cantankerous "westerners"! :-)

Ironbender, I'm talking situations with big force multipliers- like cliffs and 1500-lb horses- where the literal dismemberment of the rifle is a possibility. Not walking round in the woods...

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How many ways are there to beat a dead horse...


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Originally Posted by atkinson
I have never killed a Buffalo, lion or elephant with an empty rifle and I am always loaded in the chamber in the African bush..I always carry a round in the chamber when actually hunting. You will not get a shot on many ocassions with a round not in the chamber, you will be a stumbling, fumbling, dork trying to load a rifle in a tight spot or on a disapearing animal..ONly on national TV and apparantly the internet can everyone sit and talk and wait and load before they take that broadside perfect shot..Where I hunt its a bit more hectic than that..You have a window of opertunity and you had better take advantage of it...A gun pointed at nobody is a safe gun.

Never loaded in the camp, home, car, or in the saddle scabbard.

common since should be a perfect guide but I see from 42 posts this has not been the case.


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Originally Posted by wildswalker
How many ways are there to beat a dead horse...


I don't know, I'll get back to you when it's good and beat! :-)

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Beings how I mostly bow hunt for big game, I'd have to go with an "it depends". I usually have an arrow nocked though, but am rarely at full draw smile

Most of my "gun" big game hunting is done with a shotgun. I rarely go, but when I do, it is usually a drive situation. Most shots are at running deer who are already aware of you and are trying to get the hell out of dodge. Racking a slide on a shotgun makes little difference in time or noise. Most times in this situation, I go cold. Since this type of hunting appeals very little to me, it is very rare that I go.

On the even rarer occasion where I am still hunting with a gun, I am generally hot. Depends a lot on the terrain and conditions. If I am likely to walk up on an unaware deer and I am hunting alone I will carry hot.

At any rate, I rarely gun hunt. The season in OH is a week long, limited to shotguns/muzzle-loaders/revolvers, and generally filled with a bunch of degenerates out blasting at any thing that moves. This is not the type of hunting that I prefer. I can bow hunt for four months at deer that are usually unpressured. I am familiar enough with the property that I hunt that I usually have all the deer named. Gun season here just does not do much for me. Now, before I catch hell for that opinion, I will state that if I could gun hunt the same way that I bow hunt, I would probably prefer that.

BTW Jeff, look how far WEST of you I am.


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Ha! Good one...

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Originally Posted by Jeff_Olsen
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How many ways are there to beat a dead horse...


I don't know, I'll get back to you when it's good and beat! :-)

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Yes.

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In much of B.C. grizzlies are common. Suprised grizzlies don't take kindly to being suprised. Also, they aren't known for always warning you of their intentions.

An unloaded rifle is, indeed, a stick.

Sticks aren't much good at dissuading charging bears.

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Nice to see this thread still going, and going, and going.....


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i keep one in the chamber for the same reason i keep a 45 auto cocked and locked on the nite stand by my bed you might not have time to chamber a round if a nice buck apears and only gives a spilt second to shoot or a armed intruder breaks in your home you better hope you don't have to wast time chambering a round


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Yeah, but I'm shootin blanks! laugh So it doesn't really matter.

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I'm a very inexperianced hunter, but here is my thoughts on it.
I have three different situations
1st.
If I'm concentrated in my hunt for non-dangerous game, I would always have one in the chamber unless I was climbing something with the safety on.

2nd.
If I'm just lazily wandering the woods content weather i find game or not, I would not have one in the chamber and it would be on safe

3rd.
If I was to hunt in dangerous game areas, I would have my rifle off of safe but an empty chamber. This is because cocking the rifle would be second nature to me where is turning the safety off I would more likely forget. I would instinctively load the chamber. Turning the safety off wouldn't be as instinctive to me.

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