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That shot presentation and rifle/load combination wouldn't give me an instant of hesitation SAME. Congrats to the lad – good shooting!
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shot placement ? we all take the best shot available at that moment its not a paper target on a target frame and your not on a bench either . i think the youngman did just fine at least he had a bi-pod on his rifle , knew how to shoot and knew the distance to make the great one shot ! good job and congrats again ! Pete53
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Post shot pic, the bull was on the hill opposite us. Yep, my baby boy is bigger than I am! Cool pic! Great country. Very similar to what we have always hunted. Except here, that yellow would have been quakie thickets. I assume that must be tamarack turning yellow. We see very little tamarack around here. As wood cutters, we would have liked to find some.
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Post shot pic, the bull was on the hill opposite us. Yep, my baby boy is bigger than I am! Cool pic! Great country. Very similar to what we have always hunted. Except here, that yellow would have been quakie thickets. I assume that must be tamarack turning yellow. We see very little tamarack around here. As wood cutters, we would have liked to find some. The yellow trees are all Quakies, we don't have any tamarack that I'm aware of.
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Interesting. I would not have guessed quakies as tall and straight as they look. Ours look more like shrubs.
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Could I make the shot, yes
Would I take the shot, no. (and 25-06 has zero to do with it)
Interesting response ratio here, not surprising, but interesting. Confirms all those echoing shot volleys I hear off in the distance.
My personal observations are that 90+% of hunters would be incapable of making that shot. My personal observations are that way over 90% of hunters will take that shot anyway.
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Big congrats to both of you. Beautiful Bull elk. Perfect shot placement. What an awesome experience to have with your son. Memories of a lifetime for the both of you.
Dad, another congrats for you too. Its obvious that your boy has had lots of trigger time and was comfortable making a 400yd shot with his rig. From watching the video it appears that he has been well coached and your instructions were spot on. Great job. I'm sure if there was any question about the rifle/scope combo, the bullet used, his capability or the distance, You would not have instructed him to take the shot.
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Could I make the shot, yes
Would I take the shot, no. (and 25-06 has zero to do with it)
Interesting response ratio here, not surprising, but interesting. Confirms all those echoing shot volleys I hear off in the distance.
My personal observations are that 90+% of hunters would be incapable of making that shot. My personal observations are that way over 90% of hunters will take that shot anyway. Do you hunt Michigan, Minnesota, Maine? Around here, if you can not make the shot presented here, 9 years out of ten your freezer will stay empty. Mule deer or elk. But we never had the advantage of etched reticles or adjustable turrets. We (universally) set the scope dead on at 300 and held nine inches high at 400. And you better be able to estimate range. There were no lasers either.
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Just spitballing here but that was a very nice piece of rifle work. The hit is pretty obvious in the video right at the lower edge of the neck cape left side. If in fact that was 400 yards with a 115 gr Berger I seriously doubt that you busted up any big shoulder bone of course you never know until that nice bull is unzipped. My educated guess the bullet probably hit big bone then deflected left, took out the heart then tumbled its way aft through the organs. You had enough velocity. Had it been just lungs that animal could have, would have, traveled some distance anyway much further. Pure lung shots usually show frothy blood, lots of it out of the mouth and nose. I’ve taken two big cows with my 257 AI that were lung only broadsides and both took off and started to climb. But if the heart is hit they soon lose consciousness and hit the ground. One of my lung shot cows still had its eyes closed when I got to it like ten minutes later. I’d be surprised if there is a real exit wound maybe stuck in the far side hide but I’d bet he is a bloody mess inside.I always shoot 120 Interlocks in my 257AI but honestly I never deliberately went after Elk with a quarter bore no matter how fast.
My late Brother was a guide many years and had an orthopedic surgeon take a cow with a 270. While field dressing the doctor was according to my Brother a PITA getting in the way and poking around everywhere inside but the 270 bullet went through the shoulder bone plate leaving a clean hole. My Brother thought that was weird but the doctor said the cow’s bones were soft and weak probably due to diet. Never heard that before
Congratulations hope the back straps are clean Rick
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Just spitballing here but that was a very nice piece of rifle work. The hit is pretty obvious in the video right at the lower edge of the neck cape left side. If in fact that was 400 yards with a 115 gr Berger I seriously doubt that you busted up any big shoulder bone of course you never know until that nice bull is unzipped. My educated guess the bullet probably hit big bone then deflected left, took out the heart then tumbled its way aft through the organs. You had enough velocity. Had it been just lungs that animal could have, would have, traveled some distance anyway much further. Pure lung shots usually show frothy blood, lots of it out of the mouth and nose. I’ve taken two big cows with my 257 AI that were lung only broadsides and both took off and started to climb. But if the heart is hit they soon lose consciousness and hit the ground. One of my lung shot cows still had its eyes closed when I got to it like ten minutes later. I’d be surprised if there is a real exit wound maybe stuck in the far side hide but I’d bet he is a bloody mess inside.I always shoot 120 Interlocks in my 257AI but honestly I never deliberately went after Elk with a quarter bore no matter how fast.
My late Brother was a guide many years and had an orthopedic surgeon take a cow with a 270. While field dressing the doctor was according to my Brother a PITA getting in the way and poking around everywhere inside but the 270 bullet went through the shoulder bone plate leaving a clean hole. My Brother thought that was weird but the doctor said the cow’s bones were soft and weak probably due to diet. Never heard that before
Congratulations hope the back straps are clean Rick I also hunt with four different orthopedic surgeons, one veterinarian, and one radiologist (“Tell em I just fix radios…). They ALL do that very same thing when dressing out critters with me.
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I totally agree about the shot and expiration of the bull.
It looks like very similar to an archery hit.. As in the bull bled out.
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Great shot by the boy.
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I would not have taken that shot unless he turned to his right another quarter.
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When I was 18, I would have chanced it; and now at 65, nope.
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Nice Rush lyric at the end of the vid.
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Scenario: You're hunting Elk with the only rifle you own, an accurate 25-06 loaded with 115 Berger VLD started at 3135 fps. You have a very nice 6x6 Bull across the canyon at 400 yards, no detectable wind, and not enough daylight left to attempt to get closer. You taking the shot? Or letting him walk
This is your shot angle.. Post your thoughts, I'm letting him walk. Even if it works, as it apparently did, there are way too many things that can go wrong leading to crippling and losing an animal with the specific conditions you list. Kid seemingly did everything right but he still only had a 50/50 chance of good results. I'll offer my heartfelt congratulations but at the same time, I would not have pulled the trigger .. MY ethics. Tom Hell I would have probably sent a text to my buddies say get the pack boards and head this way before I touched the trigger.
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Holy sh it. Elk aren’t bullet proof? I'll be damned if the boomer-fudds weren't wrong again!
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Pretty freaking awesome Bull kill!
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Great shot. Congratulations to your son!
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