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I keep going back and forth on this, and maybe that is how it is, IDK! My reading from "different areas of the internet" these past few days from folks way higher up the knowing food chain than I tell me that the Hamas forces were extremely well trained and sophisticated , more so than many in IDF on the ground at the time, so it gives me pause, again!

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It will be unread by most given the source - and not claiming gospel - but consistent with your sentiment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-attack-gaza.html

The source for the information I saw about that was an unnamed Egyptian official, who supposedly told an unnamed Israeli. Pretty thin considering the source, hardly an unbiased one. Egypt, if you recall, is where a policeman gunned down two Israeli tourists, along with their Egyptian guide, in support of Hamas.

Like the tale that Ukraine sold Hamas weapons, there’s an obvious benefit to someone (Russia in that case) if enough people believe in the fable. Not so long ago there were all kinds of stories about candidate, then President Trump, all of them BS, but they achieved their purpose.

There is a lot of conjecture on foreknowledge, or conspiracy.



I'm more interested in the lack of response.


Gonna go out on a limb here, with a scenario of my own.


It's a straight up no conspiracy day.

50 radicals attack an American town. There is an immediate response from local LEOs. And citizens. Whatever the end result,
we are bombarded with stories about the "Heros".

Think 911.

There have been absolutely no reports of anyone at all standing against them. Not even a kid staring down a Chinese tank type pics.


I've told our local BLM story numerous times.
It took much less than 7 hours, in a rural community, to have hundreds of civilians on scene ready to fight. Cops were on the original scene in less than a half hour, and that was a distance issue.


Here was an attack, in a place where such is always likely, and no police, no military engage?


Either it was intentional, or serious negligence.
If negligence, it was across several groups and command structures.

The part of me that rules out conspiracy theories due to likelihood and probabilities, questions such failures in Israeli police and defense.

No, really. The entire region has been stable and peaceful for decades, then outa the blue something like this happens and it has to be because the Lockheed Martin and Honeywell want war.

You been living under a rock or something?

Knowing it was coming and knowing the exact time and place might be two different things.

Noah was a conspiracy theorist until it started to rain!

It’s very difficult to prove a conspiracy theory going forward. Those who plan such things and put them in place are not going to admit their involvement. With the security measures in place surrounding Israel it seems unlikely the initial attack could have taken place without their knowledge. So, you have to look at who benefits and how it benefits them. The US MIC benefits financially. The war in Ukraine is becoming ho-hum. Iran continues to be a nuclear issue.

And who stands to lose? Well a few thousand troops and citizens who are most useful as cannon fodder. At this level, nothing happens by coincidence. Everything is planned.

Very true

Oh so the military industrial complex is a conspiracy too? Lol you guys are something else. They for sure dont want war

I tend to agree.

Documents found on dead Hamas fighters showed tremendous planning and knowledge of IDF security/surveillance. How those details were obtained is another question.

Our ruling elites all have our best interests in mind and anyone who thinks they don’t is a Nazi.

Trust the plan the good guys are in charge.

Best and brightest 81 mil votes diversity is our strength protect Ukraine get boosted back Israel or Hamas will come here to behead YOUR babies!

I for one won't try to change your mind gunchamp as all I can do is speculate. If that is the case, I hope those responsible for "letting it happen" get crucified.

The bigger picture, in my mind, is those who say that it didn't happen. I find that very odd in light of one fact (multiple facts depending on how you look at it). Hamas say they did it. They say how they did it. They say what they did. The say they killed defenseless men, women, babies and elderly. They say they raped, or are going to rape, women and children in order to sully them. I can't see Hamas sitting around and seeing fake videos and fake news reports and sayin, ya, since they're saying we did all of that we may as well take credit.

Stailin once said (paraphrasing) that "one death is a tragedy and a million deaths is a statistic". That appears to be the situation here with respect to people such as "the squad". It doesn't matter if it were 800 deaths or 1200 or 10. It's all the same to them. I wonder if rather than 1000 on one day, if they would change their position somewhere along a different timeline. Let's say Hamas killed 20 people a day for 50 days straight to get to the 1000 murders. If that had been the case, would those who are saying it's no big deal and asking Israel to stand down, at some point a week, ten-days, two weeks into the 50 murders per day have said "this is getting out of hand, I had better condemn it"?

The ‘fire way; Rocky.

The last boss I worked for before I retired was going to move with his wife and teenage daughter to Israel when he retired. I questioned his wisdom in such a move, they both grew up on the east side of Detoilet. He was a mechanical engineer, his wife a laywer who was offered beaucoup bucks to make the move. He figured that if they lived outside of the big cities they'd be safe. Anyways, their daughter spent a couple of months going to high school in Israel, sent her dad pictures of her on a rifle range learning firearms training. IIRC the rifle appeared to be an M-4.This was about four and a half years ago. It's not like firearms are rare to civilians...

I don't believe the official narrative about anything any longer. I can't understand why anybody does.

Me too

FDR knew that an attack on Pearl Harbor was eminent yet failed to warn them when he absolutely knew it was going to happen . All the Jew hatred here is based on fairy tales .For all you so called Christians, Christ was a Jew. He was a Rabbi and never denounced that religion . I hope the Jews wipe out Iran, Syria and the rest of the AE. The Jews of Israel are about the only ally in the world we can count on .

You don't act like a Christian here. Read the 10 commandments.