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Sorry since 1-8 is by far our best selling twist for AR bbls they will be 1-8 with .223 Wylde chambers. I'm not sure on mag box length, I'd have to ask one of our engineers.

8" will stabilize everything that will fit in an AR mag,chambered Wylde. Though it leaves a gaping void in a bolt gun. Hint.

It is plum AMAZING to me,how very little Manufacturers "know" or shoot. Hint...............

...and there was great weeping and gnashing of teeth...

I'm amazed that CZ and Browning, of all companies, are two that offer fast twist barrels. I know that some don't like their actions for various reasons, but at least they listened.

As I understand it, it was one guy at Browning that listened and made it happen. I believe it was a product manager but could be wrong.

You need to get out of the AR mindset. The modern bolt action 223 buyer is purchasing the rifle to take advantage of sleek bullets like the 88 grain ELD-M, which means a longer than AR mag box, and twist that's capable of handling the longest bullets out there.

+1

Why do quality bolt rifles keep getting cock blocked by AR requirements? Do manufacturers not understand they’re two separate things?

Well put prairie goat

I love the fact that you guys are lecturing one of the few individuals who has found a way to be successful in the custom gunmaking world on his business practices. There is little chance that the cost of changing the barrel twist could be offset by five guys on this board who would buy a rifle because it had a faster twist. He is, after all, running a business.

For the record, and from the horse's mouth, Barrett used a 1-7" twist on the Fieldcraft because they were already making those barrels for the REC7 (the piston version, not the current direct-impingement carbine). It was, HINT, a business decision.

We're trying to help the guy out, especially since essentially no one has gotten a modern bolt action 223 right from the factory. Every week on this forum and others there are guys talking about 223 builds, rebarreling rifles and modifying mag boxes or swapping to longer mag setups. Reminds a guy a little of the custom 1911 market, before manufacturers like Wilson Combat got into the business...

Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Hint.

Do not "forget",that Imitation is THE most Sincere form of Flattery,as you Whine loud,long and often. Hint.

It is plum AMAZING to me,how very little Manufacturers "know" or shoot. Hint...............

GFY Woodhits.

Earlier in this same thread:

Confirmed that the ID of the mag box is 2.245" so what you guys are asking for could certainly be done since we make 1-7 bbls already. Anyone have any idea what reamer is used for the long throat chamber? We buy most of ours from PT&G since we run carbide.

In the case of the short magazine box, might as well stick with 8 twist and standard reamer to save money, since the short length precludes the use of the long projectiles that are really only practical to shoot from a longer box.

2.245" mag constraints is an ABSOLUTE Goat Fhuqk in 223 and well shy of ASC AR mag confines. EPIC fhuqking failure there. Hint.

Kiff is the LAST Charlatan I'd entertain sourcing a reamer from,for any fhuqking reason. Hint.

It is in oft mused hilarious misconception,by folks who don't shoot,that a longer throat is requisite for better projectiles. Superior projectiles by literal design,will have a greater COAL than lesser ones,in the SAME throat. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.





It is plum AMAZING to me,how very little Manufacturers "know" or shoot. Hint...............

Bill knows how to run a business and turn a profit. That’s what matters. Plus he said you can custom order the twist of your choice for full price directly from them. You can’t beat that .

If 2.245 is too short , Stick, I wonder what mag box and action they’re already manufacturing will work? It seems they are building a smaller action next . Maybe keep the 223 on this current action?

Yeah, would rather just have a Model 20 with a shimmed 2.55" mag box, 223 bolt face, and appropriate feed rails than a shortened action that won't take anything over 2.245". The 20 is light enough as is.

What ‘goat said.

Remington sold a ton of short action 223 in the day.

Stick, et al, what box length should Bill spec on his short action for the heavy 223 and 6 ARC versions?

What’s the box length on the HOWA mini with the Jefferson(?) floor plate?