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to a Czech company for 1.91 billion.

Vista Outdoors just sold off their ammo stable.

Discuss

https://www.americanrifleman.org/co...eral-cci-hevi-shot-remington-ammo-speer/


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“ the consumer brands CCI, Federal, HEVI-Shot, Remington and Speer will continue their heritage of community and conservation support through local and national organizations.”

And here lies the heart of the problem….instead of reinforcing their commitment to producing quality products and striving for customer satisfaction they want to reassure us that their community activism will continue!

These corporations need to stop with the superfluous bullshit and community activism and instead just produce good ammo and components that are readily AVAILABLE and reasonably priced….they can shove their outreach up their ass, that’s not their purpose.

Yep

Totally agree. Just produce excellent products and STFU.

I read that to mean they are going to continue the support of shooting and hunting. Nothing to me in this indicates any "woke" agenda. I am concerned that one single corporation now owns such a large number of the major suppliers of ammunition and components.

Has been one large corporation for years.

Correct, it also meant they will continue to support the community in and around Anoka as well as organizations such as the NRA, SAF, or whatever organizations ATK and Vista have supported in the past.

Said nothing about going woke, didn’t even give the slightest hint of going woke.

I expressed that sentiment about Hodgdons as they bought up everyone.

And was blasted for even thinking such a reputable company would abuse their customers if they became a monopoly.



Was just paging through the Natchez catalog last night.
For some reason our domestically produced powders are now more expensive than some of the traditionally more expensive Euro brands.

Hmmmmm? I wonder why my ass hurts?

Many Alliant powders are produced overseas, they are crazy expensive and not owed by Hodgdon

One plus that I can see in this is that Czechoslovak Group is NOT a publicly-held corporation. You won't be having anti-gun, anti-hunting groups submitting shareholder resolutions every year as you would have had with The Kinetic Group aka the spun-off Sporting Products group of Vista Outdoor.

One only needs to look at the examples of Ruger and Smith & Wesson to see what I'm talking about. Small orders of Catholic nuns hold enough shares that they can submit these shareholder resolutions and then have so-called socially conscious "independent" analysts tell mutual funds that they need to support these efforts with their votes.

A country under the control of the EU (read UN) now controls the production of a large portion of our ammo supply.

Think about that for a minute.

Yes, public corporations are fighting to survive the woke agenda and it’s emphasis on ESG scores. Funding and other things needed to conduct business is tied to this. The privately held Czech company probably can ignore that schit.

So?


Wasn't talking about them when I said "domestically produced".


The IMR and Ball powders produced in North America were the ones I was talking about.

Doesn't really matter.

The relationship on price has changed considerably since Hodgons has went from down the list of distributors, to owning much of the list.

Well supplied, but I'm thinking any new load development I do will be with one of the newer suppliers. The amount of dollars is really inconsequential. Just not one to bend over and spread 'em.

I've been shooting Italian shotgun shells for years.

You think this guy is under the thumb of the UN because he is a Czech a Billionaire Czech, that seems like a stretch.

Sandy Hook ..

Government Powder Co.

Pretty much beat to death 3 days ago.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...mmo-and-component-shortages#Post18849017

Yup. Both of those are encouraging to me. I‘ve bought a lot of Fioochi ammo the last few years, all made here, and priced reasonably, and the quality is good to excellent. I’ve noticed they’re easing into the U.S. primer market as well.

Seems better to me that a shooting-oriented businessman owning all those brands is better than them being under the control of some “investment group” run by tennis- and golf-playing money geeks.

As to powder prices, I’ve tried to figure out any sort of pattern to the wide price variances and gave it up to supply and demand. One thing’s certain though, and that’s that powder prices are subject to the same inflation as the rest of the stuff we buy, so buckle up and bend over. A few years back when the talk was all about .22 ammo, a bunch were vowing they’d never pay $.05-$.10 a pop and were holding out for the $.02 stuff they used to buy. How’d that turn out?

The company that bought them already owns Fiocchi.
Fiocchi is good ammo at a fair price. Let's hope the tradition continues.