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Sir John,
Let us see what Doc M at MIB in SC can get Dan at CEB in ID to do.
Dan was out hunting past week, and will need some time to unpack,
catch up with his email backlog, etc.
There is hope.

Sir Tony,
Asante sana sana, truly the love is for the .458 WinMag,
best hobby in the world.

There is word from Doc M of MIB that Dan at CEB is on it.
They will call it "something like DGBR 458 400 LNP."
LNP is for Long Nose Projection of 0.750", same as the nose projection on the 450-gr/.458 Safari Solid.
Next time they run the .458-caliber bullets there should be a new one.

Well done Sir Ron.

Excellent.
I look forward to the penetration tests.

Sir Ron,

Look forward to a CEB BBW#13 400 gn LFP for the 458 WM+. Good work organizing the progress in the development of a great bullet for pachyderms.

Kudos!!

Riflecrank, I could go for some of those CEB 400 grainers they sound good!

New bullets are coming from CEB.
Meanwhile, Jim Shockey's "Mountain Rifle" for the Russian bears:



The gallery is here:

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About $10 for each trigger pull.
No wonder Jim Shockey used a one-shot technique for scope adjustment:











Yes, one-shot kill. Ammo cost per bear = $10.

DG at 250 yards is not DG you say ?
More like a meat hunt for the local village, and dollars paid by Shockey/Nosler contribute to
protecting the bears from the hungry comrades.
Well, that is the way the Russians do it, and Shockey does in Rome what the Romans do,
regrettably spouting Marxist drivel at the conclusion of the episode.
Hopefully that was just tongue in cheek ironic humor from a capitalist invader,
sponsored by Nosler.

Only $5 per trigger pull, and "it will keel" as well as the Nosler ammo for half the price.
The only way to improve on the value (better quality at lower price) is to handload !

Norma Reloading Manual ("Vol. 2" from 2013)

A closer look at the "Norma Swift" factory load with 500-gr A-Frame bullet:





Nice "Factory Crimp" on the factory ammo.
Short-grain extruded powder is right at base of bullet when loaded, no compression, about 100% LR/net fill.
That is 0.3 grains over maximum of the Reloading Manual for Norma 201.
If we let the brass grow to 2.500" and seated and crimped at same seating depth, COL would be 3.335"
which rounds to 3.34" heh-heh-heh.

Loos like a good Cape buffalo and probably brown bear load. The Swift AF, at least in 0.423” driven at MV 2375+, is definitive on buffalo. Great penetration, rapid results.

No reason to believe the 0.458” 500 gr won’t deliver the same results.

The current problem is that in 0.423” 400 grain form, the Swift AF has proven an elusive target. I’m hoping Swift doesn’t make itself totally irrelevant in the reloading market due to “Out of stock,” just about everywhere I’ve looked. Is the 0.458” 500 grain readily available as a reloading component?

I’m hanging on to my last dozen for an unexpected exigent opportunity with one of the 404s, probably the 404-375 Ruger in the Alaskan, if I make it back to the Great Land for a go at another brown!!

Trust but verify.
I will fire the ammo in same rifle I used for the Norma factory ammo loaded with 500-gr Barnes RN Solid.
Rerun:



The rifle used:



50-yard target, I got excited and pulled the 5th shot:

Sir Ron,

I’ve been cogitating on a Near rail for the Win M-70 460 G&A Pachy Slayer. Is there sufficient clearance at the loading port for rapid reloads? The current Leupold scope on it now is very similar in size to your 2.5x.

Sir Khulu,

I consider it no impediment to loading with my nimble fingers.
But do not blame me if it gets you killed, heh-heh-heh.
It is so trustworthy, having recoil stop on bottom,
that I trust it with no J-B Weld and no change of 6x48 to 8x40 screws,
whether optic is 2 pounds or 2 ounces:





You can get them with zero tilt or 20 MOA, 25 MOA, etc., custom tilts.
Above is either 20 MOA or 25 MOA, but does have one or the other of those commonly requested tilts.
I have 3 of them now and am starting to get confused.



Should be helpful for hitting 3-foot square bullseye at 1000 yards, with a 2.5X scope.

Bullet availability: I will do some looking.
Like you, I have some old stock, but not enough !.

Swift 500-gr/.457" bullets in stock at MidwayUSA

for anyone not sold on the 400-grainers at 2500 fps in the .458 WM+.

The celebrity known as jwp475 aka Sir John is on the mend from double pneumonia
and an awfully painful pleurisy.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery and no lapse in his spreading of pearls of wisdom.
Here he is cutting his teeth on moose and griz with the first .475 Linebaugh revolver
from the shop of that other John circa 1988:



In a very educational and entertaining telephone call with jwp475,
we talked about how Otto Candies, Jr. took a huge bull elephant with a .475 Linebaugh Revolver,
whether 1.4" or 1.6" (.475 Maximum) I don't recall.
Maybe jwp475 can elaborate.
Anyway, the interesting thing was that Ross Seyfried had tried cutting the 500-gr/.475 Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer down to 400 grains,
by whacking off the base of the bullet.
Ross could not get his loads to not jump the crimp.
John Linebaugh was able to perfect the load for Otto Candies, Jr.
He applied LOCTITE in the cannelure before applying the crimp.
The cut-down TBSS worked on a frontal brain shot on the big bull elephant of Otto Candies, Jr.

What kind of LOCTITE ? Blue, green or red ?
This technique may be useful for me in the future.
Seal your primer with lacquer and seal your crimp with LOCTITE.

Maybe some of that faulty Democrat-loaded .458 WinMag ammo from the Jimmy Carter era
could have used a better glue on the bullets that could be twirled in the case mouth with fingers ?

JWP will get better pretty quick I’d bet. He’s a tough hombre!

I still have a partial box of Remington Safari Grade, 450 grain A-Frame 458 Winchester that a few of the cartridges have that free-spin crimp. I think these are sometime maybe mid 1990's. I do recall not being overjoyed with that twist.