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Originally Posted by lee440
Where in the plan is the space for BLM and Antifa to riot and burn? That is now a part of Portlands lifestyle, what is the 15 minute city doing to accomodate them? In regards to 45 100's remarks about non productive citizens, I was just watching an old Twilite Zone that had Burgess Meredith in it as a Librarian, on trial, and sentenced to Death by the Government for being OBSOLETE. Some of those old episodes were eerily prescient and accurate!

think outside of your box for a moment... instead of police controlling these neighborhoods, they will be like parts of Potlandia today... BLM and Antifa control certain neighborhoods already in Potlandia.. with the blessings of the city fathers...
that is how they get away with every thing they do and destroy...

its right in front of peoples eyes, yet they see nothing, because they are programmed to think in other ways.

tell people a lie long enough, or make them believe it long enough, it will become truth....Heck reference Joseph Goebbles in Nazi Germany, Lenin in Soviet Russia, Gaddafi in Libya, Edi Amin in Uganda etc etc etc.

This concept is ALL Communism 101, and NO One hardly identifies it as such....many folks are blind to the obvious, or are just programmed to recognize it when its right in front of them.


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Well first of all, the 15 minute concept is nothing new.

And having spent time in places that afforded you to walk everywhere you needed to be I can tell you flat out, that it's a nice way of living. It's the original concept of a city.

San Antonio (as an example) is not a city. It's a giant schit hole sprawled out over hundreds of miles. It's a perfect idea of what putting huge groups of people together should not be.

Second of all, the idea that compressing lots of people into small areas makes them more easily controlled and less dangerous is silly. Those are actually the most dangerous situations you can create. Look at the history behind Hue, Fallujah, and of course Gaza. It is a horrible concept if you're trying to keep tabs on people. Matter of fact this very concept is what gave root to some of America's largest criminal enterprises. Ever.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Well first of all, the 15 minute concept is nothing new.

And having spent time in places that afforded you to walk everywhere you needed to be I can tell you flat out, that it's a nice way of living. It's the original concept of a city.

San Antonio (as an example) is not a city. It's a giant schit hole sprawled out over hundreds of miles. It's a perfect idea of what putting huge groups of people together should not be.

Second of all, the idea that compressing lots of people into small areas makes them more easily controlled and less dangerous is silly. Those are actually the most dangerous situations you can create. Look at the history behind Hue, Fallujah, and of course Gaza. It is a horrible concept if you're trying to keep tabs on people. Matter of fact this very concept is what gave root to some of America's largest criminal enterprises. Ever.

Turn in your tinfoil hat, Pard.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Well first of all, the 15 minute concept is nothing new.

And having spent time in places that afforded you to walk everywhere you needed to be I can tell you flat out, that it's a nice way of living. It's the original concept of a city.

San Antonio (as an example) is not a city. It's a giant schit hole sprawled out over hundreds of miles. It's a perfect idea of what putting huge groups of people together should not be.

Second of all, the idea that compressing lots of people into small areas makes them more easily controlled and less dangerous is silly. Those are actually the most dangerous situations you can create. Look at the history behind Hue, Fallujah, and of course Gaza. It is a horrible concept if you're trying to keep tabs on people. Matter of fact this very concept is what gave root to some of America's largest criminal enterprises. Ever.

Turn in your tinfoil hat, Pard.

I keep it on standby pard.


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Originally Posted by mark shubert
John, you've seen my "stomping grounds" - the 12K population town I live in is about as large as I can stand anymore.
I'm thinking our friend 45-100 feels the same.
We both could be a bit hard to control, I believe. Come down and join us!

Mark,

They are planning all of this now, to be pushed out where older folks like us exist now... Remember back in Doctor Zhivago, the movie.. what did the communist party do to their house in the city? Filled it full of people, and saying the house was too big for just one family....confine people into small areas... they are easier to control, with fewer resources.

This is exactly like what is being done all over the entire country. In 10 years how many of us will be gone from this world.. and the ones left aren't going to be able to fight back very much...This has all been planned for over the last 30 years or so... and its just been quietly implemented, from sea to shining sea.... The liberal leftists and the DNCC, have had this planned and are slowly implementing it. They brainwashed our children, and their new world order will be put into place, and the youth of today are already programmed to accept and even desire it... Sheep being lead to Slaughter, and they don't even know it...

If I go anywhere it will back home to Southwestern Virginia, or SE West VA....my home roots... its pretty rural, people are pretty well armed and programmed to defend their home and property...

If the democRATS cheat and gain the White House, Senate and the House in 2024.. It pretty much over for our generations... I come from Generations that have had to fight for their existence since they first got off the boat at Jamestown in 1607... 80% of those folks died in the first two years there... and before another boat arrived... only 20 to 25 of those original settlers survived the first two years at Jamestown. I am a descendent of those 20 to 25 people.. 17 generations later...Standing up is in my blood. Trump getting elected again is our only real hope to even have a fighting chance.


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Originally Posted by Seafire
If I go anywhere it will back home to Southwestern Virginia, or SE West VA....my home roots... its pretty rural, people are pretty well armed and programmed to defend their home and property...
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You think those areas are going to be easier to remain "free" than the rural western states?


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Not really trav.....

I'd be going home to where my roots are from, and have been for 16 generations before me...

I'm descended from the first people that got off the boat at Jamestown in 1607, and 80% died with the first 24 months from Disease and Indians.. I'm a descendent of the 20 to 25 people that survived.

In the potential of just having say 10 years of so of good health, it will be time for me to just go home..

No less or no more complicated than that. You really think we have that much real freedom left in this nation if the democRATS convert us to communism?

Even you wouldn't want to die and be left in Oregon for eternity. smile


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Not really trav.....

I'd be going home to where my roots are from, and have been for 16 generations before me...

I'm descended from the first people that got off the boat at Jamestown in 1607, and 80% died with the first 24 months from Disease and Indians.. I'm a descendent of the 20 to 25 people that survived.

In the potential of just having say 10 years of so of good health, it will be time for me to just go home..

No less or no more complicated than that. You really think we have that much real freedom left in this nation if the democRATS convert us to communism?

Even you wouldn't want to die and be left in Oregon for eternity. smile

Which part of Virginia?


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It’s a fine idea if the people living there were honest, reasonable, and trustworthy, but let’s face it, a considerable segment of the population just aren’t, and would fugg it up for everyone else. The police can no longer be trusted to keep order or protect us from malefactors, and given the penchant of government, city governments especially, to make it difficult or even illegal for people to protect their own property and even their lives, these places would soon turn into little Portlands, San Franciscos, and Baltimores.

I have everything I need within 15 minutes by car, 20 if you count a place to hunt. A pretty good shooting range is 5 minutes away, if I obey the speed limit. We have a big garden and fruit trees, and decent neighbors about 50 yards away on all four sides. Our yard is planted with a variety of trees and ornamentals and we have fresh flowers available daily from last frost to first. 25 minutes away is my IWLA chapter, with another range, plus clays, and a lake full of fish and visited by all sorts of wildlife. I go to the grocery store every week or two, often on my way home from shooting, hunting, or fishing. Total annual mileage for us is about 5K miles, down from the 35K I drove when I still worked.

Give this life up for the opportunity to play human feces hopscotch every day, and put all the things I like to do miles and miles away? Fugg no!


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I agree with everything Seafire has said about the 15 minute cities. Like I said earlier, they are fine as long as people can CHOOSE to live there or not. They work for some people but not all.

The problem is forcing people into them against their will and I am convinced that is the long term plan. Deflave is correct in that it creates a dangerous situation but that fear makes it easier not more difficult to control people. They fear going out of their apartment or cubicle so they stay inside expecting the government to provide for their needs.

Riding or walking through a small pen of bunched up cattle, horses, sheep or whatever is several factors more dangerous than riding through a large area with the same number of animals. Riding in an alleyway packed with livestock has its perils as well. But they are more controllable in small areas. People are no different. Free men have tools of resistance that imprisoned men don’t have.

Imagine the worst, most evil thing government can do. What they have planned is worse than that.

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Location and wealth will save no one...

At most it may help make people... "NOT be the low hanging fruit"... for a while.

A city/urban center requires perfect harmony of services, power, water, sewer, PoPo et al.

Perfect Harmony amongst humans... is a fantasy I have not embrace for many years.


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Originally Posted by deflave
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If I go anywhere it will back home to Southwestern Virginia, or SE West VA....my home roots... its pretty rural, people are pretty well armed and programmed to defend their home and property...
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You think those areas are going to be easier to remain "free" than the rural western states?
I found quite by accident a beautiful little community in south eastern West Virginia. It is quite isolated from the hustle and bustle of modern life but reasonably close to a major highway and fairly close to Beckley. The name of the place is Odd, and while that is an odd name it is really named Odd. I used the Odd Road as a cut through from Highway 77 and headed east over to Highway 16.

When I got to my lodging that night I did a search on the village of Odd and found out that while it is isolated and has a low population it is indeed a famous place. Real estate there should be affordable and should remain rural.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Human anthills…..
This ^^

No gardens. No way to be self-sufficient. You have to depend on everything working right to survive. It sounds pretty scary to me. Even though I live in a city I have a place to fall back on.

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Originally Posted by 45_100
I agree with everything Seafire has said about the 15 minute cities. Like I said earlier, they are fine as long as people can CHOOSE to live there or not. They work for some people but not all.

The problem is forcing people into them against their will and I am convinced that is the long term plan. Deflave is correct in that it creates a dangerous situation but that fear makes it easier not more difficult to control people. They fear going out of their apartment or cubicle so they stay inside expecting the government to provide for their needs.

Riding or walking through a small pen of bunched up cattle, horses, sheep or whatever is several factors more dangerous than riding through a large area with the same number of animals. Riding in an alleyway packed with livestock has its perils as well. But they are more controllable in small areas. People are no different. Free men have tools of resistance that imprisoned men don’t have.

Imagine the worst, most evil thing government can do. What they have planned is worse than that.

Mark, your analogy to working with livestock is 100% on the money.
Crowded animals are VERY dangerous.


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One way to force people to live in rabbit warrens is to make cars unaffordable to purchase or run, or by taxing them by the mile, already being done here and there. Make home, and especially land ownership prohibitively expensive, and you have them by the short and curlies. All in progress. Meanwhile the uber-rich will be scarfing up as much open land as they can, again, well under way. One advantage the East has over the West is that the rural areas are broken up into smaller parcels, so grabbing big, contiguous chunks is more difficult.

These little 15-minute enclaves are much like traditional villages, except there’s no surrounding open lands to allow folks to let off some steam, just more villages and maybe some downtown areas, plus some parks, which like all city parks will be drug-riddled crime zones full of homeless vagrants and gangs.


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I read all about this when I read agenda 21 years ago. I'm sure it's in agenda 2030 as well. You can already see lots of apartment complexes of 4 to 5 story along the newish commuter rail in Utah. There's one near my inlaws house that has spartments around a movie theater with several fast food joints nearby all next to the rail system. There's not nearly enough parking spots for the apartments and every night cars are parked on both sides of any street within a block of the apartments.

Rexburg Idaho is starting to build lots of 4-5 storey apartments above restaurants near the university with little to no parking nearby. Makes it tough to go to Cafe Rio if you're driving. There's no fire escapes on any of the apartments either but they have sprinkler systems that hopefully work when it's 30 degrees below.

When I went to school there years ago student apartments had to have a parking spot for each bed. Now there's very few parking spots and buildings built right close to 2 lane streets.

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I saw those when I was down there couple months ago. My bud took me to a pizza joint that was in one of them. Great concept for 18-late 20yr olds.


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I guess that means the mass shoplifter gangs will have shorter distances to run.

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Which part of Virginia?

West of Roanoke, Christansburg , Blacksburg up over into Between Bluefield and Beckley WVA...

Yeah Real hillbilly country, and not always the brightest crayons in the box or tools in the shed.

I am descended from the first people who settled in that part of Virginia, which later became West Virginia.
First Community was Lillydale, settled in there before the French and Indian War.

The Lilly Family Reunion is held on a former farm that was donated for the family reunion by Family member was passed in about 1950

That Reunion has made the Guinness World Book of Records 6 times since 1990, and the largest family reunion held in either the USA or the world...Started by my Great Grandfather and his brothers in 1929.

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Originally Posted by Hastings
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Originally Posted by Seafire
If I go anywhere it will back home to Southwestern Virginia, or SE West VA....my home roots... its pretty rural, people are pretty well armed and programmed to defend their home and property...
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You think those areas are going to be easier to remain "free" than the rural western states?


I found quite by accident a beautiful little community in south eastern West Virginia. It is quite isolated from the hustle and bustle of modern life but reasonably close to a major highway and fairly close to Beckley. The name of the place is Odd, and while that is an odd name it is really named Odd. I used the Odd Road as a cut through from Highway 77 and headed east over to Highway 16.

When I got to my lodging that night I did a search on the village of Odd and found out that while it is isolated and has a low population it is indeed a famous place. Real estate there should be affordable and should remain rural.

Well Hastings... that is exactly the place where the Lilly family Reunion is held. I have many ancestors buried right in that area, that have been in that area since the very early 1700s. Lillys and Meadows as last names... the Meadows got off at Jamestown in 1607, and there some of the few to survive the first two years, when 80% of them died.

Take a right turn off I-77, go about 400 yds and you hit old US 19 south. Turn right, go about 500 yds, take a left turn going south bound.. there is a church right there on a curve, across the road is the Family Reunion Farm... out front is a grave stone....Robert Lilly and Francis Moody.. They are patriarchs of the family Reunion.. It was started by my Great GrandFather and his brothers in 1929.

Talk about tough Genes....As posted on their Grave Stone there in Odd, WVa, in front of the farm the family Reunion is held at each year.... Both Robert and Francis were born in 1696, and were together and moved into Western Virginia at the time in the Early 1700s. As posted on their grave stone...Francis died in 1806, and Robert died in 1810.. she was a 110 at the time of her death and Robert was 114 at the time of his.

You were probably thinking Hastings of US Hwy 19, instead of a Hwy 16. But Hwy 16 just goes a little further west.
https://alavigne.net/Motorsports/ImageGallery/2008/10-AppalachianRoadTrip/?p=wv16-va16.. plenty of good pictures on that site....

South of Odd on old Hwy US 19, you come across a very small bridge, with just a creek under it...It is named Hank Williams Bridge.. its so small you have to look for it... but it was at that little Bridge, the kid driving Hanks car, stopped and Realized Hank Williams had passed away.... He was taken to the hospital there in Beckley. I 77 replaced old US 19 as the main road southbound. US 19 starts up in NY State and ends just across the Kentucky line...



https://www.facebook.com/p/Southern-WV-Lilly-Family-Reunion-100077092251805/


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Which part of Virginia?

West of Roanoke, Christansburg , Blacksburg up over into Between Bluefield and Beckley WVA...

Yeah Real hillbilly country, and not always the brightest crayons in the box or tools in the shed.

I am descended from the first people who settled in that part of Virginia, which later became West Virginia.
First Community was Lillydale, settled in there before the French and Indian War.

The Lilly Family Reunion is held on a former farm that was donated for the family reunion by Family member was passed in about 1950

That Reunion has made the Guinness World Book of Records 6 times since 1990, and the largest family reunion held in either the USA or the world...Started by my Great Grandfather and his brothers in 1929.

Those are really nice areas.

Which part of Oregon are you in?


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