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I know. Hold still deer while I get out my kestrel and level my rifle that shoots a 140 grain bullet sub sonic. Or. You can just set that bi%ch 1.75 inches high at 100 and zap stuff to 250. Then guess what, if you do have to make a longer shot, like 500 or so, you give you scope about 30 clicks and drill it.

Among all the ideas and feelings of adequacy, Bob Hagel still makes a good point that few people recognize…



You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel

Once again. The truth.
People forget that 06 not only covers the continent from Prarie dogs to bears, it also ended the Jap and Nazi B.S.. , who by the way used 6.5s and 7mms. But they had exterior ballistics....

I am just stirring the pot a bit in good 24hr CF tradition.

That said if you want to proclaim the .270 Win is "superior" you should be prepared for a bit of stirring of your pot.

All in good fun.

Same here. I was kinda hoping stick would get in on this one.
For what it's worth, I don't think the 270 is the best ever, I just think it's a better application for hunting big game. I like a 264 wm, 7 rem, 300 win, stw, rums, and did I mention I like a 30-06?

The rifle for different species, I could do it all with an 06 improved and a fast twist 243 win. At least for the states I hunt.

Stick doesn't have time for this. He's too busy trying to EDUCATE EVERYONE BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WON'T LISTEN AND LEARN. Back in the 80s I worked in a saw shop with a guy who cut off his thumb trimming hedges. Best hedge trimmer in Alaska. And that's why if you aren't dialing your scope at least 50 clicks on every single shot your rifle is a POS. Think about it: a 30-06 drops 342 feet at 3000 yards. I've even seen a 30-30 round start to move backwards at 500 yards. Any animal you see "killed" with one of these imagination pretend "cartridges" is AI generated. You literally can't make this stuff up. It's science.

The only pot you're stirring has a flusher on it. You know as well as I do that at +700' sea level and within 300 miles of a Peruvian polar vortex the .280 loses roughly 89.57% of its penetration. Putting green tape on the scope will recover 11% of that but the other 78.57 is gone forever. And you think you're going to draw blood with it inside of 200 yards? WHY DO YOU KEEP SPREADING MISINFORMATION? Stick can't keep doing this all by himself.

Your hunting and shooting is parametric, you can pick something that works or you can pick something that works, is low recoil and shoots ballistically efficient bullets. Either way I suggest something mainstream and not something that resides down a rabbit hole.

Want to know why the Japanese lost, grab an arisaka and work the bolt. They were never gonna win with that pile as their main rifle. I have one, took me about 15 seconds to figure out why there are no notches in the stock.

[quote=hh4whiskey]I might have an opportunity for a used ULA/NULA at some point here, or to have something built. I’ll probably ditch some other, ‘good’ rifles to get one ‘great’ rifle. Thinking 280AI for all-around, or? Light enough gun to like carrying, good enough stock to not care that it’s so light. Accurate, dependable, and something you want to pick up every day for a deer stand or 5-days in the mountains, for everything short of big bears. Suppressor ready is best idea, but might live without it for the right gun.

Anyhoo, question is: would an ULA/NULA be ‘THE’ rifle for that mindset, or some other build?

For me it is "The" Kimber Montana. My favorite is a .30-06. I find the NULA stocks do not fit me very well where the Kimbers perform very well. Also, I prefer the Kimber 3-position safety on the bolt and a floated barrel.

I pondered one in .280 AI and it appears capable of performing very well. However, I do find a 165 grain .30 caliber handload comes close enough to any .280 AI load I am aware of to keep me happy. Also, some of the 200 grain bullets work very well in an '06 elkish game. Frankly, the main rason I prefer the '06 is availability if I run out of ammo.

I do have two other Kimbers, a Hunter in 6.5 Creedmoor and a .375 H&H Talkeetna. Their stocks also fit well.

The Japs lost because the were communist sacks of schit and tried to mess with America.

Tell that to Charles Sheldon, who was using a 6.5 Mannlicher on brown bears, moose and sheep before the 30-06 was generally available. Or all the dead moose slain by Norwegians and Swede's using the 6.5x55 which appeared in 1894. Killing is about a quality bullet in the right spot - it's just not that complicated. It's the platform that holds the cartridge, and the optic that sits on it which more defines "THE rifle" than what it's chambered in, though I'd still be inclined it be chambered in a widely available round.

Uh, ok.

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Buford,

Joining in November, you have a unique understanding of Big Stick for only being here a couple weeks or so…

I am pretty sure there is even more to that executive summary.

Dancing Bear makes some excellent points about the Kimber in .30’06,
but for my preference at that recoil level , I would choose the Kimber Mt in plain 280 Rem for the panache and smooth feeding

bbl 22” / 24” Lilja twisted and throated to suit. Magazine length dictates a lot.

Hand loaded of course, there’s just not much factory 280 Rem on the shelves , Ha

In the NULA 24, I’d most definitely choose a 280 AI / 24”.

Not sure how a suppressor would impact this build,
might change things to a 7 PRC on a NULA 28 w / 20” bbl for similar down range performance

First of all, I've been lurking here since the late 80s. Used to cut big timber with a guy who invented WiFi. I never thought things would get so bad that I would have to make an account but Stick can't do this all by himself anymore.

Second, how many rifles does Stick have to throw in the creek before you'll listen? HOW MANY SCOPES HAVE TO BE TAPED? HOW MANY STOCKS HAVE TO BE PAINTED HIDEOUS COLORS BEFORE YOU'LL SEE THE LIGHT? He does it all for you guys and you just won't learn.

You do have a lot in common with Big Stick.

He knows how to ruin a rifle and brag about it.

Liars do lie, this site hasn’t even here since the late 80’s

Logger that invented Wi-Fi had to be Al Gore.

And I’m sure he is proud to have you as a comrade in harms…