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The 30 year old man that I reported on a few weels ago that was hit in the face with the rifle bolt is doing fine. The rifle was a Mossberg and he had purcahserd it only a few days before the incident. Apparently the pin attaching the bolt lugs to the bolt body broke and this allowed the bolt handle to close without the lugs fully closeing and when he fired the rifle the bolt flew out and hit him in the face.
I assume he bought this rifle used? Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.
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I was told by his uncle that he purchased the rifle new, just a few days before the incident.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Here is a Savage bolt lug section. I don't have one here to understand its complete function. So far I can't find a sketch of the Mossberg bolt.
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The lugs were pinned to the bolt?!!
Is that official?
Seems to me that over time a pin would shear from the backthrust generated on the bolt body.
What kind of engineer would come up with an idea like that?
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I see your pic now. I didn't before I made my previous post.
It's easy to see how it's assembled. The entire head of the bolt is doweled to the bolt body and the dowel has a hole in it for the firing pin to pass through,... which obviously makes the dowel weak.
,... an accident waiting to happen,... and apparently,.. it did.
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I was told by his uncle that he purchased the rifle new, just a few days before the incident.
Wow..... Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.
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My cousin just bought a Mossberg(nib).Should he have a Smith look it over?
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I'd sell it back to Mossberg.... Aren't the lugs and bolt on 'decent' rifles one piece???
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My cousin just bought a Mossberg(nib).Should he have a Smith look it over? He oughta take it back and get a decent rifle.
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Not laughing here.
Boys, there, but for the grace of God, go we.
Ya never know when something's going to give.
Glad he's going to be OK.
rb Same here. No laughing about that .
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I was also told that a Lawyer in Florida contacted the family trying to find out the details of what happened. Seems that the exact same thing happened to someone else in Florida, with another Mossberg..
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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WGM,, One thing is clear on the Campfire,, ones creditability isnt defined by his number of posts,, That was just low,,you are one sick mutha...............
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A recall will most certainly be issued. I sure as hell wouldn't shoot one of those rifles.....
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On page 15 of 16 in the linked Mossberg manual there is a picture of the bolt and how its assembled. It seems similar to the Savage. http://www.mossberg.com/manuals/100ATR.pdf
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WGM,, One thing is clear on the Campfire,, ones creditability isnt defined by his number of posts,, That was just low,,you are one sick mutha............... Actually its common to hear laughter motivated by fear. This was explained by a disciple of Freud named Reich. I am just explaining its origin.
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It don't give me any comfortable feeling looking at it, that's for sure....
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Kinda reminds me of a hunter I had once. When we first met, he told me "I WILL kill my elk myself. You are never to shoot." So, OK. Fast forward to a few days later, when he gutshoots an elk in a dark downed pole-thicket patch. The elk is hopping around, trying to get unstuck and the nimrod's bolt handle fell off of his rifle. It was some kind of welded-on Mauser POS. Anyway, he's screaming and cussing and vaulting after the elk and the elk is hopping and bleeding going all ratshit. Dave, a wrangler friend, of mine and I stood there for a while, just a little confused as to what's actually happening. Could the city-slicker azzhole really want one of us ignorant guide-types to kill his elk???? Then, he held his bolt handle in the air and yelled, "My gun is broke, KILL THE BASTARD." The elk did not survive; a .338" 200-grain Power Point severed its neck bone just below the ear. Good shot, Steve. We could not get mules into the downed thicket, so all of the elp parts had to be high-stepped out under humam power (good job Dave and Steve). It was another ten o'clock arrival in camp ... tired, sweaty and stinkin'. =============================================================== Fast forward again to the next year. The grunt came back and, as he got off the jet boat he said, "Thanks for last year. The bolt is welded solid, but you can collaborate anytime." Sometimes city-slickers learn. Steve
"God Loves Each Of Us As If There Were Only One Of Us" Saint Augustine of Hippo - AD 397
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Hard to beleive that Mossberg could make such a dangerous design flaw.
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Hard to beleive that Mossberg could make such a dangerous design flaw.
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From what I can see, it's essentially a clone of the Savage bolt design. I'm guessing that there's a lot of sweating going on at the headquarters of both companies.
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