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Meanwhile in OK, Sir Jerry ws doing this:

Sir Reverend Bob,

That will be very interesting.
Any 400-gr/.458 bullet is highly esteemed,
as is your shooting and hunting prowess.
You put Geri Harry to shame.
That ungrateful 88 y.o. whom I packed and skinned for had the gall to say
"Whatever your medical specialty was, I know it was not surgery."
Since he was unable to do so many things for himself, his criticism was funny, the old coot !
I admit, I have grown rusty from using commercial game processors.
Boning up on my boning out skills now.

I see you have the "roped and tied" down pat for Jet sled and bucks. The bigger they are the better you need to tie them here in the hill and gully hunting fields to keep the dreaded tip over and dump the load down the hill deals. I have replaced the pulling ropes with a real rope, long enough to use to secure the head/horns to the pulling force. Seems to keep them less floppy. I tie three legs like a calf to both bundle them up and lessen the flopping around. I use hay twine for that. A real deal to see... by the looks on others faces!! I don't care, it works for me; as does the magnificent 458WM as a Great Plains Whitetail rifle!!
F01

Sir Dennis,
I went and got the "XL" size Jet Sled for coming late muzzleloader season, maybe crossbow too ?
I also paid the extra $30 bucks for the brown camo version, good for hauling decoys into a duck blind.
Heck, at 65" long and 30" wide it is a regular dingy, might use a kayak paddle in a puddle with it.

I will remember the 3-leg hog tie trick, and a loop around head/horns in the pull rope tension train.
Paracord 500-pound test. Cheap, thick poly rope 300-pound test.
Hay twine if you got it for the hog tie, I have the paracord.

I replaced the dinky pull cord with poly ropes, two 15-foot lengths that loop to each side of sled front.
Put a loop around each shoulder, then a gloved hand grips each one like a thumb under your suspenders.
So I end up pushing each rope loop with palms forward in front of shoulders, a triceps and pecs workout.
That is good for the muscle pocket where a rifle butt caresses the shoulder in recoil.
So I stagger a hundred steps then rest until breathing returns to normal.
Repeat for a half mile per deer.
Hoping for snow for late ML season.
.45-cal ML, of course, heh-heh-heh.

Let it be known that Sir John aka jwp475 is rehabbing from a bad bout with pneumonia.
It has been touch and go for a while, but he is whipping it, it is not not whipping him.
He sends his regards to the Square Table.

Pneumonia was always called "the old man's last friend"
but Sir John has given it the boot,
not needing a friend like that when he has so many here.

Sir Ron, i fought the pneumonia since October 25th. In rebab now. It was a rough stretch

So Sir John is back in his home town at a rehab facility,
taking showers with female physical therapy personnel.
The showers are greatly enjoyed and cause him to think many thoughts,
a good sign that his usual higher brain function is intact.
He is also talking long and hard as usual, another good sign,
as per telephone conversation today.
We also discussed race horse heart size, Secretariat's was huge,
and the X-ray techniques used on the Alaska Pipeline welds,
back in the day when Sir John was working on it,
compared to the new digital techniques used on 42″ diameter pipe welds today.
Digital like on the chest X-rays he has been getting since his ordeal started on October 25, 2023.
Digital like on the Keystone Pipeline canceled by the Dims ASAP in 2021.
Let’s go Brandon !

Muzzleloader for deer: .45-cal CVA Paramount
I am still stuck with the Pointy Power Belt and Blackhorn 209 good to 200 yards or more.
The grooves and twist of the Paramount are very like the original rifles of Sir Joseph Whitworth.
A soft lead/tin, 480-gr, paper-patched to bore diameter might be made to obturate into the .450" bore/.462" groove rifling of 1:22" twist
Would Blackhorn 209 do it or will I have to use real BP ?
Celebrating the origins of the .458 WinMag in this way is on the bucket list.

Turning a .458 WinMag CF rifle into a muzzleloader (hang a ramrod under the barrel): Gemmer WinMag ?
Nah, kaboom.

A toast and a Prayer for Sir John along with the Rest of the Knights of the Square Table!

HS 58

times 2 on HS 58 post , been there done that . wish Sir John the best with your health Sir

I'd like to thank every one for their well wishes and prayers

🙏🏻 Sir John.
He is able to deliver.
F01

Been slow catching up on .458 Win Mag news, here.

Best wishes Sir John, glad you're feeling better -get well soon and God bless.

Sir Ron: thanks for sharing, by word and pics, your deer adventures and miss-adventures! Highly informative and entertaining!

Yesterday's blog comparing the great .458 Win and not so great Lott. Think you'll like it.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Sir Reverend Bob,
Great blog, latest installment especially !
You really gave the Lottites some hellfire and brimstone in that sermon, amen !
Understandable that you feel "slow catching up" here, as busy as you have been with
your writing and related hunting and gun pursuits, Iron Man Bob.
Keep us posted on the 400-gr Barnes Buster, please.

Speaking of bullets:



Now Buffalo Bore has followed suit with a .600 NE combo of Shock Hammer and Safari Solid:





They have both 100-gr "tropical" and 110-gr Cordite equivalent loads with softs and solids, I reckon.

Zeroed at 200 yards for deer, little meat is wasted with the .458 WinMag and 404-gr Shock Hammer.
A modest load of 78.0 grains of Benchmark does fine, at a mere 2468 fps MV, whether at 0 degrees or 100 degrees F, I reckon.

Correction:
UltimateSlam reticle and 3X magnification.
MV of 404-gr SH 2500 fps.
Zero 20" high at 100 yards, using center crosshair.
20-MOA tilt rail should make that easy.
Use the lower post point for aiming at 1000-yard bullseye.
Should be right on
for Creedmost Match.

Good job on the meat and final product.

The .620 900 grainers do have a commanding presence. A lot of bullet there. Impressive rack of doubles also.

Sir Larry,
Asante sana sana.

It is funny how the personal craziness of an individual changes over time.
Some start off crazy for double rifles of .620-caliber and 15 to 20 pounds in the hands.
Apparently there is still a market for ammo to feed those cravings:

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=646

Others of us shift our craziness to a bolt action of much greater handiness and versatility.
Something that can be 10 pounds or less in weight field ready, and with a trigger pull weight of 3 pounds.

404-gr Shock Hammer at 2500 fps MV from a standard .458 WinMag.
Leupold 3-9x40 mm muzzleloader scope with UltimateSlam reticle, set at 3X magnification.

20-MOA Near Mfg rail allows scope to be very "NEAR" its optical center
if bullet strikes +20.0" (high) at 100 yards (+19.1 MOA).
Center crosshair of reticle will be zeroed at 598.4 yards, very near 600 yard gong for zero checking.
Then the bottom post point will be the hold for the 1000-yard billboard-sized Creedmost Match target.

The bullet will rise no more than +42.9" at 328 yards, maximum ordinate.
Launch angle is 0 degrees and 23.0 minutes, 0*23'00".
That is a lot flatter shooting than what they had in 1874.
Also, 3X scope is a lot better than 1X eyeball with iron sights.
No wonder they had such big targets.