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I was being sarcastic. It was a jab at RM's young universe belief.

I agree that many aspects of the mosaic books have historical elements, such as the flood. There are others that are simply explanations of natural events that used the supernatural to explain.

I also believe that Jesus and many other's in both the old and new testaments are likely based real persons. But I don't think the book is infallible.

Exactly.

Studies have recently identified the meteorite which wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah. Egyptian armor and carts have been found under the shallow sea. Yes, those old Jews were great Historians.

Correction: you believe that you have addressed the point, when in fact you haven't.

Simply believing that something is true doesn't make it true.

If Genesis is taken as metaphor, so can the story of Jesus....so what are you left with?

Your rationale fails because you cherry pick, ignoring what is written - that sin entered the world 'through one man' - only to impose your own version, that it was 'man' - plural - that fell from grace. Tell us how that happened.

You could make a living as a dodgy lawyer.

Steve, you are 100% wrong. Just as those here say that every word in the O.T. and N.T. are the truth as inspired by God, here is why that is so.

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A few days after Jesus was crucified, most of the Disciples were in an old house in a room, not unlike the room where the Last Supper was held in Jerusalem, bemoaning their future and wondering what they were going to do now that their meal ticket, Jesus, was dead. Suddenly the door opened and God was standing there. The Disciples were astounded and stared at Him. He was wearing a long, resplendent, clean, white, silk robe.

God - "What's up, boys?"

Matthew - "It's the Lord!"

Luke - "Lord, we're trying to figure out what to do now. You know, being out of a job, so to speak."

God steps in, closes the door and takes a seat at the long table.

God - "Well, I've got something for you to do. It's very important."

John - "What it is, Lord?"

God take a heavy leather pouch from the pocket of his silk robe and tosses it on the table. It makes a heavy 'thump." The Disciples stare at it questioningly.

God - "There are a whole bunch of gold shekels in that poke. I want you boys to go down to the market and buy every single blank scroll you can find, all the quills and ink in town, and bring them back here."

John - "What for, Lord?"

God - "Well, I'm going to dictate to you a New Testament and you're going to write down every single word I say, exactly as I say it, and you are going to write it in Greek."

James - "But Lord, we're just poor Jewish fishermen and worker peasants. We don't know how to write Greek, or speak or read it"

God - "Not to worry. When I get through with you, you'll be fluent in Greek writing, reading, and speaking."

Bartholomew - "All right, Lord, if that's what you want. We've always obeyed you."

God - "I know, and that's why you are right for this job. Besides, you'll become famous, too. Okay, now get going. We have a lot of work to do."

The Disciples get up as Matthew pockets the pouch of gold shekels.

Matthew - "Anything else, Lord?"

God - "Yes. On the way back, stop at that good Kosher deli in the square and pick up some lamb sandwiches, bagels, and creamed cheese. This is all going to take awhile. Don't worry about something to drink. I'm going to turn this water here into wine."

Disciples - "Yes sir."

God - "And don't tarry. We're burning daylight."

The Disciples nod, leave, and close the room's door behind them.

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And that, boys and girls, is how the New Testament was written.

Just for your information.

L.W.

There's no point in debating someone who consistently (and conveniently) pretends not to understand one's argument. At that point, it's not a debate, but an exercise in talking past one another.

Your argument is flawed. It's flawed because you ignore the key points of what is in fact written, that 'sin entered the world because of one man,' only to impose your own interpretation.

You do that because you know that taken literally, the story doesn't make sense, yet you want to salvage whatever appeals to you, so you deem this to be metaphor, and that to be literal. Cherry picking.

I've already refuted the above sophistry.

Speaking of fiction…..

Only in your imagination. The narrative specifies that sin entered the world through one man, the disobedience of Adam. Deny that all you like, but there it is for all to see and read.


"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men.....'' Romans 5:1

Raise your hand if you’ve changed your mind!

Sadly those verses don't mean anything.

I think it's safe to say all the extraordinary events are bullshit.

A large chunk of it is demonstrabally factually and historically wrong.

Evidence of interspecies evolution? Sure, it's called evolution - google it sometime, you might learn something.

OK, I'm raising my hand now.

Well, somethings raising. Just might not be your hand.

Well, they in fact do and unless you see the light, you will one day know the truth. And that my friend will both a sad and tragic day for you.

“Seek God while He May be found.”

Which of the examples I gave are demonstrably factually and historically wrong. Not suspect or unproven but factually proven false and ''bullshit''? There are plenty of examples I could have given that may have a base in actual events but that would take a while.

Interesting way of saying you don’t have any evidence but you choose to believe it on faith. Case and point of how some atheists use science as a religion, gents.

Thank you, Mauserless.