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On that Moose, was that a handgun kill - or finishing shot? Just wondering, congrats! 1150 - 1200 will do alot with a good 158 or 180 class, assuming good construction. Finishing shot. Yep. Then that same pistol shoots gobs of small game and pests like red squirrels using unique and fmj's. Doesn't even damage the meat/hide on something as small as a red squirrel. Can't think if another hand gun cartridge more versatile.
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That is definitely a versatile gun/loads you have indeed.
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So what’s the straight scoop on lil gun? FA says it destroys their revolvers and I got it straight from Hodgdon that they have seen no evidence of such? It’s the one powder in all of this that gets me the numbers I’m looking for.
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The issue with Lil'gun is flame cutting of the forcing cone. Mainer or other high volume Lilgun shooters have you experienced this?
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I learn something every day........the 357 had a reputation for doing that with 125s in K-Frames, before LG
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Nope, about 3 lbs of lil gun through my little trail gun shooting only 180 grain bullets. The flame cutting is an old wives tail.
Anyhow, it's a fkn ruger, so hopefully after a few more years, it'll rattle loose and I can toss it in the trash.
Last edited by mainer_in_ak; 12/19/23.
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Mainer thanks for the info. Ruger guns have some issues but "after a few more years, it'll rattle loose" is not one of them. I suspect it will take more than a few more years before your handgun will be ready for the trash heap.
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13.5 of 2400 in .38 cases with a 358156 gets me 1300 fps out of a 4 inch model 66. Great load but the accuracy isn't there for me in the 627. Tough pill to swallow less powder getting more fps out of a shorter barrel. I load 14.5 gr/2400 in .357 cases, get about 1250 fps in a couple 6” guns, a 686-2 and a 27-2. Those are with 158 grain jacketed bullets, accurate and easy extraction. Got up to 17.0 H110 yesterday with the 158 xtp. 5 inch 627. Velocity averaged 1209 fps (seems low) ES and SD were dick nothing. Went to 17.5 and velocities jumped up to nearly 1300, but ES and SD was all over the place. Cases fell out of the cylinder, no flat primers. Might give AA # 9 a try. Checking my notes, using a 4" S&W M-19 .357 with a 158 gr. XTP: using 16.7 gr. of H-110 & a CCI magnum primer, I get 1217 fps. Using 14.8 gr. of 2400 & a Winchester regular primer, I get 1208 fps. These are the two "go to" loads for me with these type bullets. You should get a bit better velocity with the longer barrel. Two things happened in my world recently- I've taken a renewed interest in my .357 Magnum's, and I noticed that I have STUPID amounts of fast burning powder such as Clays, 700-X and Bullseye/IMR-Target. I carry a SA .357 a lot around the place doing chores, feeding the cows, etc., but rather than carry full-house, ear-splitting loads I typically carry a 158-173 gr. cast SWC running 1000 fps or so. So a few days ago I set about testing loads with IMR-Target, which is for all practical purposes Bullseye. 6.0 gr. of Target and a cast 158 gr. SWC netted 1140 fps from a 4 3/4" barrel, and that's still a full grain below max. Velocity from my 20" Rossi was well north of 1300 fps. I'm guessing were I to go to 7.0 grs. velocity in the revolver would probably be 1250-1300 fps. With the 173 gr. cast (358429) SWC, velocity was right at 1100 fps from the revolver and 1300 from the carbine. I've never really seen the use in very slow powders in revolvers. I've loaded 2400 and H110 in my .357's, but found that I can get close to the same velocities with 50% lighter charges of Blue Dot. I guess my point is- Why use all that slow burning powder for few if any gain in velocity when faster burning powders will do the same with lighter charges?
"Only accurate rifles are interesting."- Col. Townsend Whelen "I always tell the truth....that way, I don't have to remember anything."- George Burns NRA Life Member Certified NRA Reloading Instructor Certified Texas Hunter Education Instructor
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Why use all that slow burning powder for few if any gain in velocity when faster burning powders will do the same with lighter charges? A fast burning powder will produce much higher pressures to produce the same velocities. That works okay if you are not after higher speeds. At high velocities you'll have excessive pressures.
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Why use all that slow burning powder for few if any gain in velocity when faster burning powders will do the same with lighter charges? A fast burning powder will produce much higher pressures to produce the same velocities. That works okay if you are not after higher speeds. At high velocities you'll have excessive pressures. Understood, but my point is, if one can get the same velocity with 10 grs. of Blue Dot (below max load)as with 17 gr. of H110, why use H110?
"Only accurate rifles are interesting."- Col. Townsend Whelen "I always tell the truth....that way, I don't have to remember anything."- George Burns NRA Life Member Certified NRA Reloading Instructor Certified Texas Hunter Education Instructor
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