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Sir Larry,
Asante sana for asking.
Either McGowen or Pac-Nor
No. 5 sporter, stainless, 1:14" twist, 20" length.
The factory "All Weather" stock will be used first,
with the 5/8"-thick pad replaced by a 1" Decelerator.
A front sight and peep not finalized yet.
The B&C Medalist stock might replace the factory tupperware,
I have one on hand that weighs in at a tad less than 2 pounds.

Altogether about like a Ruger Alaskan Guide
but in a better chambering, .458 WinMag.

Sir Allen,
Those are the standard Ruger-Marlin factory peep and rail and
a tritium-powered green fiber optic front bead.
No modifications. Like XS Sights factory installed.

What I really need is some high QRW rings from Leupold
as long as the ocular bell clears the peep.
I did not have any of those on hand, always bought lows or mediums.
Whatever scope and QD Levers will clear the peep
will be used if the see-through rings with Vortex crash and burn.

In any case, a slight add-on comb riser will be used,
weld cheek hard for peep,
caress cheek for scope.

"CREEDMOST" is a right proper term Pastor Ron!

Sir Jerry,
You might be my hero, and a most august Knight of the Square Table,
but I have to correct you on the "Pastor."
That would be for Sirs Bob and Dennis that have the Chaplaincy Commissions at the Square Table.
My office here is merely that of "Surgeon" with no duties other than unofficial Hand of King Four Five Eight.
As such I am pretty much a most common sinner undeserving of the title "Pastor."
But you can call me "Doc" by which I have been addressed since 1982.
Having an MD on your rap sheet is not a proud thing nowadays, just a funny thing, good for a laugh at a party.
Given the ways of the medical mafia of late, crime-bossed by big pharma and big government,
I am sure glad to be retired and do not have to participate in the present ghoulishness.

Anyway, so glad you are playing along.

You are so right. CREEDMOST is what it must be called.
Call it CREEDMOA and the CREEDMIL guys get upset.
CREEDMOST it must be !!!

BTW all .44-bore and larger rifles will be allowed, including .50-bores,
just has to be a 10-pound rifle or lighter in weight
and a 3-pound or heavier trigger.

Firing will be from prone, or sitting or standing with portable shooting sticks that are not attached to rifle.
Shooting sticks as only rest allowed.
Back position will also be permissible.

600-, 800- and 1000-yard bullseye is 3-feet square, black-painted plywood attached to white billboard backer, maybe just an outer 8-feet square of plywood.
This is CREEDMOST Match rules still in the fluxing stage.

Should we allow the .50-bores and larger to have a 12-pound weight limit ?
Might give them a fighting chance against a 10-pound .458, heh-heh-heh.

Of interest for making weights for CREEDMOST Match rifles, more trivia:

More for Sir Allen's question about the XS Sights factory installed by Ruger on their Marlin,
remembering that 400- and 404-gr bullets work wonders in the .458 WinMag,
and the .45-70 Gov't. lead the way with that 405-grainer in 1873:







advertised at 7.3 pounds, mine weighed 7.25 pounds.

I will be interested to see how the All Weather stock holds up in the recoil lug area. I believe it was Phil Shoemaker that told me they did not do well with the 416 Ruger. I was considering the use of one, but culled the idea.

Sir Larry,
Besides a new recoil pad it would have
a piece of steel allthread to back up the
action recoil lug and J-B Weld bedding.
Pillars from Brownells.

The B&C would be the no-brainer,
lighter too after the add-ons to the "All Weather"
plastic, until I have to use a slip-on pad for LOP
adjustment on the B&C: Adds about 4 ounces.

Two stocks are better than one.
Anything but a Hogue !

Lol on the Hogue. I used an Alaskan 416 Ruger one year with the Hogue factory stock. My 2 complaints about it were, the wide-arse forend and the too compressible recoil pad. It as though the recoil pad would bottom out. I will say the rifle grouped well with it. I guess that I could have adapted to the wide forend. But, the recoil pad on this one would have had to be replaced. I fired 375 Rugers with the same model stock and never noticed the pad issue.

Since the McMillan's are no longer in my stock ordering line up, I have used B&C and H-S Precision for the Rugers.

Sir Ron,
As #2 I have some Good News for you, as you said: “ As such I am pretty much a most common sinner undeserving of the title "Pastor."” you are fully paid up in dues for any position or title should you so choose. The sacrifice that was made was made for all who accept it. Sir Bob as #1 will be sure to agree that he and I are “most common sinners” as well.
I’m glad to see the Creedmost rules included shooting sticks. We, my 458 and I, never leave home without them!
F01

It'll be nice when Bansner starts inletting for the Rugers. He seems to have a nice line up of stocks that are functional and light.


I agree RC, you better be up early in the morning if you wanna stay ahead of Gunner!

I agree on the Bansner. Lightweight & Tough. I have a M77 that was modified to a Mark II type for a 375 Ruger. I like the stock a lot, the modification work not so much. Ahh, but the modifier screwed up a McMillan that was McMillan inletted for an identical rifle. Anyways, I handled and shot the Bansner enough that I am a fan of their products.
From pictures that I have seen and feed back from one owner that I knew, Wayne York's stocks also seem top notch.

I have heard that about Wayne's stocks as well.

thank you Sir Ron , that looks like it is made on the rail. I need one that clamps to a scope base . my nephew is giving me a side lock BP gun that is D&T from the factory that i want to put one on it

thank you Sir Ron , that looks like it is made on the rail. I need one that clamps to a scope base . my nephew is giving me a side lock BP gun that is D&T from the factory that i want to put one on it

sorry about the dubble post fellows

LOL, ten four Sir Ron, Dr/surgeon of the mighty 458 WM it will be, i always looked at educators/professors of information as speakers for the cause, hence Pastor/Reverend, all in good fun, glad we have a few men of the clergy here, Lord knows my cigar smoking foul mouthed dirty joke telling redneck self needs it.

Hey, wasn't there a song about not messing with a missionary man?

"Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners - of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example of those who would believe in him and receive eternal life." - the Apostle Paul in 1 Timothy, chap.1, vs 15 - 16 (NIV)

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Heh, heh, heh, I am a backslid Southern Baptist.
They did not allow drinking or dancing, even though the church deacons worked at the local distillery.
So I married a Methodist preacher's daughter and never did learn to dance.
Amen to Brother Sir Jerry and the Reverend Sir Bob.

You know, the Ruger-Marlin is a tough one to scope appropriately and still have ready access to the peep as backup.
I am about to give up and just put a red dot on it !
A bolt-action or a Ruger No. 1 can handle about anything, including any of the following:
















Amen !

Here is a shocker, found at a gun show for sale price of 59.95 USD (MSRP at Amazon was about 20 USD more).
The rings that come with it are trash, possibly useful for a .22 Short, but dust covers do keep the dust off:






Advertised at 6.3" and 6.5" from different sources, whatever, it is adequate.

Another gun show find for 249.95 USD with a laser bore-sighter for .45-70 thrown in for free:







Weight on the dwarf 3-9x42mm with 30mm tube is about 17.6 ounces, less than the 3-10x42 NF SHV and 10x42 SWFA.
It sure would look different on a .458 WinMag, just sayin'.
Eye relief is plentiful for sure, about as long as the scope itself.
Field of view and internal adjustment ranges are nothing to write home about, however.
Everything costs something.

The upside-down Christmas tree is a ranging device.
Horizontal lines are about 7.5 MOA apart to my eyeball, evenly spaced vertically, not specified in manual.
The top one is 18" wide at 100 yards, on 9X, IIRC.
Then each one below it is same width at 25 yards more: 125, 150, 175, 200, 225, 250 ... better check the manual on that.
A Vietnam era style "man kill" reticle for jungle clearing ranges. 18" being about width of enemy torso,
or depth of game animal chest, I reckon.