Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Rem 700 or Win 70

Yup. Personally, I've seen more M70s fail to feed than 700s. If you want CRF, I rarely see Ruger rifles fail to feed. But a Remington 700 tends to feed like butter if properly sprung. Or throw on an AICS magazine and you have the round center-feeding from the cartridge lips until its half in the chamber, then the bolt finishes pushing it in while it has nowhere to go.

Haven't seen a Tikka have trouble feeding either.


CRF is a lot of hype and fantasy.

I took my stainless 375 H&H M70 on my first brown bear hunt and will take it again this year though with a different scope and mount.

DG with a pushfeed? Blasphemy. Jk.
I'd go 700 and not think twice about it.

^^ A man that knows how to shoot!
Shoots a Remington.

Idon't own a 70. But I do have 700s and I have never had a failure to feed, extract, ot fire with a 700. I trust a 700 to work when needed.

M70, out of familiarity alone. Nothing against 700s, just not enough experience with them to really comment.

Don't care much about CRF. Even in real rough conditions, would imagine say a Tikka works as well as most any CRF guns. Be interesting to see what it takes to make one fail, especially being a rather well sealed system.

Would be fun to see what makes a Vanguard/Howa choke compared to a 700 as well.

lol...

Everyone knows the answer is "neither" - pass the Tikka T3

M 70 push feed is the answer............LOL

Honestly if I am going after DG I am taking the Kimber Montana or Classic since they are the only ones I have in a caliber for DG.

It probably doesn't matter that much in reality. CRF is nice, but push feed rifles work just fine so I don't see that as an issue.

If I had to choose I would go with one of my M70 's, mostly because of the pre-64 trigger. I like Remington 700's and have used them plenty, but I once had problems with a Walker trigger freezing up partially in cold damp weather. Since that is the sort of weather that is often encountered on brown bear hunts I'd feel a bit more confident with the M70.

I also have Ruger Hawkeyes and they are a very robustly built rifle that would also be well suited to a brown bear hunt.

This is a typical question on campfire: assuming the people who answer are the last word on the issue. You're asking the wrong crowd. Go to people that have the experience to be objective. People like the Shumakers in Alaska, the late Don Heath in Africa or Kevin Robertson from Africa. After 30-40 years of seeing what works, those folks know what they're talking about.

You can ask them all you want. The type of extraction is likely down the list of what they like to see in a customer. Whereas they prefer clients who can shoot accurately. Follow instructions. And are good tippers.

How are we supposed to ask the late Don Heath anything? Via a medium?

700 remington

I have and like both, not taking any sides here.
I live close to Ilion and like 700's but,
A 70 has never had a bolt handle come off in someone's hand. Happened to a friend that was hunting in Canada on a very expensive hunt, was not happy. Was bad braze combined with very cold weather.
A 70 has never not extracted due to a cheap C clip failing. Has happened many times.
A 70 has never had its safety the subject of lawsuits lost.
I had a Model Seven that had the barrel drilled off center, sad to say the quality at Remington was sub-par for many years.
I'm hate to see them leave Ilion but maybe they will get the quality back in Alabama.

All very good points

And I'll add, the 70's safety locks the bolt handle. Remington's concept is inconceivable to me.

And yet millions of sportsman, soldiers, and recreational shooters use them worldwide with no issues.


Go figure.

The only time I had a cartridge fall out of a rifle while loading one in the chamber was with a push feed. Rifle was held straight up and while slowly trying to load a round quietly the round fell out and hit rocks at me feet.