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Shrap, I think everyone here would love to see the NRA rehabilitated and become the organization it could have become. Maybe we'll see that and I hope we do, but I think it's safe to say that most will want to see real reform before giving support once again. I won't be holding my breath.
I think demanding that those who said "not another nickel until WLP is gone" immediately resume their financial support just isn't going to fly with many at all, and you should recognize that many who said that have come to the realization that NRA's problems are far deeper than WLP's mere presence long after uttering that declaration.
I'm sure there are good people involved, like your buddies. I won't contradict you, and no one who doesn't know them should contradict you either. If you say they're good guys then I'll take that as fact, and if they can do anything to clean it up then I wish them the best of luck. They've got a helluva task ahead of them. For the rest of us, well...maybe I should speak just for myself: "rah rah" and my hard earned cash ain't gonna do a damned thing to clean it up from the outside. If they (whoever's worth a damn still in the organization) can turn it around from the inside, clean out the corruption, change the bylaws so that the membership has some say-so and real control over the board, and knock off the stupid political games (and I am talking about almost ten decades worth of BS) then I'll even volunteer my time and yield monetary support---but not until I see the turnaround.
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Well this level of discourse is sure to swell the ranks of the NRA. Shrapnel: If nothing else, you found out there isn’t much appetite for sending money to the NRA anymore. Actually, that is not true. The Campfire has exploded with negativity, but I was at the Antique Arms Show in Vegas when I ran into Phil Shreier and Garry James. Talking to people there at the show about this very subject, it was interesting how few felt the way the Campfire does. Yes there are plenty upset with WLP, but not the majority of people that are still collecting and shooting guns… https://www.antiquearmsshow.com/https://www.scottbieser.com/ak_heston.htmlSo this is the level you will stoop to to make a point! You and all the rest that have jumped ship, failing to recognize that the NRA is still a viable organization. I never said the NRA was perfect, I just haven’t abandoned it and can recognize good people such as I mentioned (Phil and Garry) that are engaged in good work within the NRA. This happens to be Charton Heston’s gun vault, proving Strop is no smarter than the people he wants to denigrate… Truth is treason in your empire of lies. That was the gun room of an attorney who died in 2007. You will literally stoop to saying anything and making [bleep] up to try to get others to subsidize your anti 2A group. https://hoaxes.org/photo_database/image/charlton_hestons_home_gun_collectionhttps://smallarmsreview.com/amazing-100-piece-class-iii-collection-sold-at-auction/Even if that was Heston's stuff, it would just show him as another "rules for thee, but not for me" elite.
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Shrap, answer one question.
How deeply are you involved with the NRA? Do you benefit Financially? Still waiting or do I not deserve an answer? g
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Shrapnel: If nothing else, you found out there isn’t much appetite for sending money to the NRA anymore. Actually, that is not true. The Campfire has exploded with negativity, but I was at the Antique Arms Show in Vegas when I ran into Phil Shreier and Garry James. Talking to people there at the show about this very subject, it was interesting how few felt the way the Campfire does. Yes there are plenty upset with WLP, but not the majority of people that are still collecting and shooting guns… Antique and collecting are key words in understanding their “interesting” views… when the day comes that you find you need a “REAL” ID or two “APPROVED” forms of photo ID, plus having to be in a “data base” to buy a box of .22 or shotgun shells, don’t come around here bitching about it…what you seem to not understand is the Second Amendment and the folly of “COMPROMISE” with legislation that chips away at it. For the “PROGRESSIVES”, it’s NEVER enough…even when they score a “WIN”…take gay rights as a prime example…with gay rights, it started out as a push for tax breaks and survivor benefits for same sex couples…next, it was gay marriage…today they’re pushing transgenderism for kids and stupid schitt like men being allowed to compete in womens sporting events…it’s NEVER enough… ETA: the NRA has failed at every turn…😡
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I don't hate them, but as a near life long resident of IL I felt they wrote off this state long ago. Maybe I missed a few things, but I don't remember them helping when IL was forced to pass a CCW bill. We have had the FOID forced on us since 1968. Someone should have gone after that following the Heller decision if not sooner. We can't have suppressors.
I do belong to the ISRA. They seem to be trying.
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Shrap, answer one question.
How deeply are you involved with the NRA? Do you benefit Financially? Still waiting or do I not deserve an answer? g I don’t have to qualify to you or anyone else, my background or interests. I have been on this site long enough that I am no mystery to you or anyone else. I have taken too many low blows from members here and I don’t really care. I started the thread to see how many people that said they would support the NRA when WLP was gone and got hit with all the background noise of it’s not just WLP, it’s everything else. No one could reasonably respond to good people in the NRA, just the bad. I guarantee you and everyone else, Phil Shreier and Garry James represent thousand of other NRA employees, trying to make a difference and that means nothing to anyone here. I started this with a question myself about supporting the NRA, a simple yes or no is all that was necessary, but typical of the Campfire, filibustering and criticism mean more to those people. I am not that gallant that I would go down with the ship, but I still don’t believe it is sinking…
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Shrapnel: If nothing else, you found out there isn’t much appetite for sending money to the NRA anymore. Actually, that is not true. The Campfire has exploded with negativity, but I was at the Antique Arms Show in Vegas when I ran into Phil Shreier and Garry James. Talking to people there at the show about this very subject, it was interesting how few felt the way the Campfire does. Yes there are plenty upset with WLP, but not the majority of people that are still collecting and shooting guns… https://www.antiquearmsshow.com/https://www.scottbieser.com/ak_heston.htmlSo this is the level you will stoop to to make a point! You and all the rest that have jumped ship, failing to recognize that the NRA is still a viable organization. I never said the NRA was perfect, I just haven’t abandoned it and can recognize good people such as I mentioned (Phil and Garry) that are engaged in good work within the NRA. This happens to be Charton Heston’s gun vault, proving Strop is no smarter than the people he wants to denigrate… have your buddies publicly condemned WLP in any of their articles?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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Shrapnel: If nothing else, you found out there isn’t much appetite for sending money to the NRA anymore. Actually, that is not true. The Campfire has exploded with negativity, but I was at the Antique Arms Show in Vegas when I ran into Phil Shreier and Garry James. Talking to people there at the show about this very subject, it was interesting how few felt the way the Campfire does. Yes there are plenty upset with WLP, but not the majority of people that are still collecting and shooting guns… https://www.antiquearmsshow.com/https://www.scottbieser.com/ak_heston.htmlSo this is the level you will stoop to to make a point! You and all the rest that have jumped ship, failing to recognize that the NRA is still a viable organization. I never said the NRA was perfect, I just haven’t abandoned it and can recognize good people such as I mentioned (Phil and Garry) that are engaged in good work within the NRA. This happens to be Charton Heston’s gun vault, proving Strop is no smarter than the people he wants to denigrate… have your buddies publicly condemned WLP in any of their articles? Why don’t you start your own slander thread and continue there…
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Shrapnel: If nothing else, you found out there isn’t much appetite for sending money to the NRA anymore. Actually, that is not true. The Campfire has exploded with negativity, but I was at the Antique Arms Show in Vegas when I ran into Phil Shreier and Garry James. Talking to people there at the show about this very subject, it was interesting how few felt the way the Campfire does. Yes there are plenty upset with WLP, but not the majority of people that are still collecting and shooting guns… https://www.antiquearmsshow.com/https://www.scottbieser.com/ak_heston.htmlSo this is the level you will stoop to to make a point! You and all the rest that have jumped ship, failing to recognize that the NRA is still a viable organization. I never said the NRA was perfect, I just haven’t abandoned it and can recognize good people such as I mentioned (Phil and Garry) that are engaged in good work within the NRA. This happens to be Charton Heston’s gun vault, proving Strop is no smarter than the people he wants to denigrate… have your buddies publicly condemned WLP in any of their articles? Why don’t you start your own slander thread and continue there… is that a deflection for no they haven't?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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Thanks Shrap. I think in a roundabout way you answered my question. I asked myself before I asked, how could someone be so Pro-NRA at this point in time. That's the answer I came up with too.
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Shrap, answer one question.
How deeply are you involved with the NRA? Do you benefit Financially? Still waiting or do I not deserve an answer? g I don’t have to qualify to you or anyone else, my background or interests. I have been on this site long enough that I am no mystery to you or anyone else. I have taken too many low blows from members here and I don’t really care. I started the thread to see how many people that said they would support the NRA when WLP was gone and got hit with all the background noise of it’s not just WLP, it’s everything else. No one could reasonably respond to good people in the NRA, just the bad. I guarantee you and everyone else, Phil Shreier and Garry James represent thousand of other NRA employees, trying to make a difference and that means nothing to anyone here. I started this with a question myself about supporting the NRA, a simple yes or no is all that was necessary, but typical of the Campfire, filibustering and criticism mean more to those people. I am not that gallant that I would go down with the ship, but I still don’t believe it is sinking… Not saying there aren't good people, most groups do have good people. There are few absolutes in life, but good people get used by the bad instead of the other way around which sets how things operate.
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So Shrap is an NRA "influencer"..........
Well, then, that makes sense.
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Shrap, answer one question.
How deeply are you involved with the NRA? Do you benefit Financially? Still waiting or do I not deserve an answer? g I don’t have to qualify to you or anyone else, my background or interests. I have been on this site long enough that I am no mystery to you or anyone else. I have taken too many low blows from members here and I don’t really care. I started the thread to see how many people that said they would support the NRA when WLP was gone and got hit with all the background noise of it’s not just WLP, it’s everything else. No one could reasonably respond to good people in the NRA, just the bad. I guarantee you and everyone else, Phil Shreier and Garry James represent thousand of other NRA employees, trying to make a difference and that means nothing to anyone here. I started this with a question myself about supporting the NRA, a simple yes or no is all that was necessary, but typical of the Campfire, filibustering and criticism mean more to those people. I am not that gallant that I would go down with the ship, but I still don’t believe it is sinking… “Thousands of NRA employees “, you say ? You want a simple yes or no yet you refuse to do the same when respectfully asked ? Weak gravy.
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Shrap, answer one question.
How deeply are you involved with the NRA? Do you benefit Financially? Still waiting or do I not deserve an answer? g I don’t have to qualify to you or anyone else, my background or interests. I have been on this site long enough that I am no mystery to you or anyone else. I have taken too many low blows from members here and I don’t really care. I started the thread to see how many people that said they would support the NRA when WLP was gone and got hit with all the background noise of it’s not just WLP, it’s everything else. No one could reasonably respond to good people in the NRA, just the bad. I guarantee you and everyone else, Phil Shreier and Garry James represent thousand of other NRA employees, trying to make a difference and that means nothing to anyone here. I started this with a question myself about supporting the NRA, a simple yes or no is all that was necessary, but typical of the Campfire, filibustering and criticism mean more to those people. I am not that gallant that I would go down with the ship, but I still don’t believe it is sinking… “Thousands of NRA employees “, you say ? You want a simple yes or no yet you refuse to do the same when respectfully asked ? Weak gravy. Toot toot 🚂🚂
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It is smart to wait and see. Wane's handpicked successor and hand picked board and the president (NRA) praised Wayne and gave no indication they found fault with him. Personally I think it prudent to wait and see how the trial shakes out and to see if dissidents such as Mr. Knox are solicited for input. Most of us have no idea who the present BOD are and their names or the under table money they've received or directed to cronies. How much financial liability is going to sap the treasury after this trial? Is NRA going to continue to pay Wayne's legal bills. After all he left his men in charge and they are in on and have been in on the embezzlement if only by remaining passive and not making waves. As I said earlier I recognized in the 1970s that NRA was not about court cases to establish 2nd amendment precedent but only about a continuing crisis. I wrote the NRA a letter imploring the leadership to get into court and fight gun restrictions and I did not get the courtesy of a reply.
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Shrap, answer one question.
How deeply are you involved with the NRA? Do you benefit Financially? Still waiting or do I not deserve an answer? g I don’t have to qualify to you or anyone else, my background or interests. I have been on this site long enough that I am no mystery to you or anyone else. I have taken too many low blows from members here and I don’t really care. I started the thread to see how many people that said they would support the NRA when WLP was gone and got hit with all the background noise of it’s not just WLP, it’s everything else. No one could reasonably respond to good people in the NRA, just the bad. I guarantee you and everyone else, Phil Shreier and Garry James represent thousand of other NRA employees, trying to make a difference and that means nothing to anyone here. I started this with a question myself about supporting the NRA, a simple yes or no is all that was necessary, but typical of the Campfire, filibustering and criticism mean more to those people. I am not that gallant that I would go down with the ship, but I still don’t believe it is sinking… “Thousands of NRA employees “, you say ? You want a simple yes or no yet you refuse to do the same when respectfully asked ? Weak gravy. Toot toot 🚂🚂 He does have a point. I don't care for Houston_2 at all but he is right to think we deserve an answer.
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"This restaurant serves crappy food, but I bet if I keep going and buying lunch there, eventually they'll hire a good cook!" That is a very good analogy.
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"This restaurant serves crappy food, but I bet if I keep going and buying lunch there, eventually they'll hire a good cook!" That is a very good analogy. No it's not, change starts at the top dumbazz.
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https://youtube.com/shorts/YrDCeWKYA14?si=ZdeMhJa_wO6g1g-4Am I a boomer for struggling to figure out how to post YouTube shorts? Either way that’s a great example of why so many have abandoned the once great organization.
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