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Originally Posted by MAC
The ultimate brush gun is a big bore double and not a lever gun

I was referring more to northeast hunting where the typical brush gun is a lever action short barreled rifle


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Originally Posted by 12344mag
The Winchester 1887 is not a Rifle it is a shotgun of JM Browning design.

The Winchester 1887 was made in 10ga & 12ga.

It is a joy to shoot!

The Family has one in 10ga. Not nearly in that good of condition - probably hasn't been fired since the 1930s. I'm not sure I'd even want to try.....Dang thing is a BEAST.


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Originally Posted by ol_mike
Thanks UltraMAGA.

That thing is the ultimate 'grizzly country' firearm.
LOL

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Shrapnel had at least one.

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Your skinnin' Griz with a 12 ga.? Better go with something from this Century. And I don't mean a 1910


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Originally Posted by Kaiser Norton
Originally Posted by 12344mag
The Winchester 1887 is not a Rifle it is a shotgun of JM Browning design.

The Winchester 1887 was made in 10ga & 12ga.

It is a joy to shoot!

The Family has one in 10ga. Not nearly in that good of condition - probably hasn't been fired since the 1930s. I'm not sure I'd even want to try.....Dang thing is a BEAST.

The one this guy had was a modern manufactured Chiappa Firearms copy. there is a big cult for this gun where competitions are held and only Winchester 1887's are allowed to be used.

Mine is a 12ga, was bought new by my great grandfather in 1894, when it was handed to me it had not been shot since 1930 or so, I did the research and created some loads for it. It's a joy to shoot, I just hate cleaning it!

Lol, at first my uncle was horrified that I was going to shoot such an unsafe gun but after watching me shoot it he tried it and thought it was pretty damn cool he got to shoot his grandfathers gun.

All you have to do is check it out to see if it's safe to shoot if you don't have the knowledge to determine that take it to a competent gunsmith who knows old weapons and ask him to take a look at it. then do some research, create some loads and have a ball shooting it!

Keep in mind you have to make your own loads, this gun is a black powder gun only and will self destruct with modern loads.


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Originally Posted by ol_mike
Thanks UltraMAGA.

That thing is the ultimate 'grizzly country' firearm.
LOL

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Pretty neat... but i do think I would prefer a better recoil pad than a piece of metal on a 70-150


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With every shot you’re 3’ farther from the bear…😊


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87 was 12 ga, 01 was 10.

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Looks like a Martini action.


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Originally Posted by Sharpsman
Looks like a Martini action.

It pretty much is with a mag tube underneath.

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Three's such a thing as "too much of a good thing". This would be in that category. There's a reason that Winchester didn't market them hard.

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Originally Posted by 12344mag
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Originally Posted by 12344mag
The Winchester 1887 is not a Rifle it is a shotgun of JM Browning design.

The Winchester 1887 was made in 10ga & 12ga.

It is a joy to shoot!

The Family has one in 10ga. Not nearly in that good of condition - probably hasn't been fired since the 1930s. I'm not sure I'd even want to try.....Dang thing is a BEAST.

The one this guy had was a modern manufactured Chiappa Firearms copy. there is a big cult for this gun where competitions are held and only Winchester 1887's are allowed to be used.

Mine is a 12ga, was bought new by my great grandfather in 1894, when it was handed to me it had not been shot since 1930 or so, I did the research and created some loads for it. It's a joy to shoot, I just hate cleaning it!

Lol, at first my uncle was horrified that I was going to shoot such an unsafe gun but after watching me shoot it he tried it and thought it was pretty damn cool he got to shoot his grandfathers gun.

All you have to do is check it out to see if it's safe to shoot if you don't have the knowledge to determine that take it to a competent gunsmith who knows old weapons and ask him to take a look at it. then do some research, create some loads and have a ball shooting it!

Keep in mind you have to make your own loads, this gun is a black powder gun only and will self destruct with modern loads.


I shot Paul’s gun, it was pretty neat .


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Never heard of such a beast
I kinda want this lol. Ive shot alot of badass guns over the years. Never have even handled one of these

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Watching that literally gave me twinges in my shoulder, where that "sweet spot" is. lol


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Jeez

A 300 gr slug from a 45 Colt is plenty up close


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Going back to the title of this thread...if by brush gun you mean a cartridge that shoots through intervening branches, limbs, twigs etc with a minimum of deflection...big heavy slow bullets are losers.
Back in the days when the American Rifleman actually had stuff about guns, loading and actual tests...a couple nationally respected writers and shooters, I'm thinking Ken Waters may have been one of the culprits, decided to validate the term, brush buster once and for all. So they took a nice broad selection of commonly used eastern cartridges and some outliers and proceeded to shoot through 1/8" veneer placed at various angles to the line of bullet travel onto a standard target behind the veneer.
Contrary to their expectations, big heavy slow bullets deflected more than fast smaller bullets. I don't recall all the details, but the clear winners by a huge margin were cartridges like the .22-250, and .243...fast movers anyway. Unfortunately they didn't include any magnum velocity cartridges in any diameter..so we don't really know if resistance to deflection is a velocity driven factor...or cross sectional area factor or both.


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