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Hey sheriff.....

Howz about filling out a pledge card for this church you're dying to shoot up........and post us a sweet pic of that

You need to sell all that crap. Go pickup a couple 1911's and a 2011.

You are welcome

i;m a bivocational pastor of a country church and we formed a security detail and someone is always carrying.

Well, if I went to church and had to carry a 9MM, it probably would be my S&W 6906. A bit fatter than a 1911 but also a bit lighter. I prefer the 2911 though and .45 ACP. In fact, when my wife was still alive I did go to church with her and did carry the Colt Combat Commander which I shot reasonably well. The pastor gave me permission to carry and a few weeks later revoked the permission. We never went back. Went to another church that didn't allow carrying so I just had an S&W M60 .36 Spl. in my pocket. I sure felt naked without that Colt Commander. The M60 made me feel a little better.
PJ

Why even ask?

"Legion" sounds like a good church gun.

In some states, it is illegal and a felony to carry in a church without the pasters permission.

Just convert to Episcopalian. No worries! Better wardrobe. Nicer cars. No more whack jobs in long coats with BO and murderous intent.

Kimber carry pro in 45acp goes with me on Sunday

That’s a bullschit law

Any church I would attend, the pastor would probably be carrying anyway...

I am part of the Church Security Team.
I have been carrying a Glock 37 Gen 3 for several years. It has a Holosun HE507C-GR-X2 "Vulcan Reticle" Optical Sight.
The G37 is a Glock 17 size handgun chambered in 45GAP. The Holosun 507C has a Green Chevron Reticle. Doing my research I believe it is the best Optical Sight for the application. That is why I went with it.
I carry IWB using a Caldwell Gunleather Custom Leather holster specially made for the G37 with the Optical Sight.
I also have a Double Mag Pouch on my left side, and a couple spare magazines in my vest pockets. Note: the G37 Magazines only hold 10 rounds. That brings my ammunition count up to 51 rounds. OR One round less than a fully loaded Glock 17 with Two Spare 17 round Magazines.

I have recently purchased a Glock 17 Gen 5. I will start working on it in the near future, getting the Optical Sight Cut. Purchasing the Holosun 507C Sight for it. Additional Magazines, etc. I am not a 9mm fan, however I plan to give the G17.5 a chance to shine.

Bob R

I HOPE our mental and physical training matches eyes with muscles and when its right the gun goes bang all on its own like its supposed to.
Others around. Pick the right ammo. Not a Lehigh max penetrator. FWIW mentally I will take the risk and if I screw up and innocents die they were possible victims anyway.
What bothers me though is the legal part that LEO dont' really worry about that legally. But I am supposed to.

The bottom line, train the best you can. Pray the issue never comes. And if it does that you don't have to deal with it using an almost worthless handgun, that you can access your rifle.

rost495;
Top of the morning my old friend, I hope you're all well whether you're still in your winter digs or you've migrated north for the spring already.

While I'm cognizant that Sam began this thread with tongue firmly planted in cheek AND that as a Canuck I cannot speak from personal experience about anything handgun/defensive carry related, I'd offer some thoughts for those who might find it useful.

During the course of my life as it pertains to church involvement, for about a decade I was a leader in the Ushers and Greeters and as such I developed some safety protocols for the congregation.

Many older church buildings are not set up with proper fire exits even, which makes orderly evacuation in any emergency complicated. Combine that with a usually elderly thus mobility impaired group of people as well as visitors who are untrained/new to everything can be an uphill struggle to say the least.

Statistically most churches on both sides of the medicine line are more likely to have a medical emergency where an Automated External Defibrillator will save some lives. Hopefully it goes without saying that like a firearm, having an AED without proper training in it's use is less than optimum.

Our church didn't have a stocked First Aid Kit before some of the work and time was put in developing the protocols and procedures.

Each Sunday someone needs to be the one on duty whose will dial 911 to get medical assistance coming should the need arise. It's amazing how many times everyone believes someone else has already made the call.

The pastoral staff need to buy into whatever programs are developed. Part of the buy in is if not having "drills" at very least mentioning it often enough that some in the congregation will act appropriately during an emergency.

Training people to look for potential threats isn't always possible, as some of the folks who are attending the service, especially those who want to greet and welcome others, are not remotely wired to be "sheep dogs" in any way, shape or form. Realize those folks exist, accept them for what they are, try to find enough "Sheep Dog/Doubting Thomas" types to balance it out and go from there.

Looking back through the decades of church attendance, specifically dealing with different sorts of emergencies and disturbances, it was always better to have at least some sort of a plan rather than nothing.

That's a really broad overview of the subject and truly it's likely better to have a thread on it's own about that rather than take Sam's further into the rhubarb.

All the best to you all rost495.

Dwayne

You are joking?!

Sam;
Good morning my old cyber friend, I hope calving season has been going okay and you're all well if not well rested.

Regarding the 3 wise men Sam, I've read a fair bit about them and while it's certainly speculation, it's feasible that part of the stir that the "We 3 Kings from Orient Are" would have caused was they'd be pretty much a small army.

The times on the Judean frontier then were quite rough, so travel for anyone not armed to the teeth between cities was tenuous at best. In order to survive what had to be at very least several month's trek across hostile country, they'd have their version of Delta Force/JTF2 crew along with them.

That helps explain the reaction from King Herod who had to be at least a tad concerned when this "visiting army" arrived unannounced in his back yard.

Pistol sights and old guy eyes are apparently in a constant state of flux Sam.

I'll also say that my 60 plus year old eyes do not work for distilled monkey spit with some indoor lighting.

The church we attend now and apparently most local restaurants have the same light spectrum Sam, such that I cannot read a menu to save my life without pulling out the pocket flashlight.

If'n I was planning on having to shoot in one of those lighting conditions, I'd think it prudent to see what sort of optical dot my eyes could actually see in said situation, you know?

Same goes for any eating establishment, etc. Sam, even if you're not going to start attending services anytime soon, you might wish to pack whilst taking the Mrs. out for an occasion, right?

Couldn't hurt to see the sights/dot if the need arises.

Speaking of low light, I see a few switched on folks here often either have a weapon mounted light or a decent pocket rocket light along with the packing piece.

All the best to you all Sam.

Dwayne

Dwayne, great insight as usual from you. As a former school principal, I had to insist on rectifying some of the issues that you had, at our church. We have many diabetics and a woman to lose consciousness due to low blood sugar. It took a while to get 911 there. Everybody thought someone else had called. The directions to our church weren’t clear and the ambulance was delayed. Then they had trouble with our handicapped ramp, had to turn the gurney onto the ramp. We had to install a larger side door at ramp and widen the ramp. Luckily, our pastors wife is a nurse and several have first aid training. We also keep packets of honey, hard candy, and something from the drug store to boost low sugar under the pulpit in a first aid kit. Not much storage as our church was built in 1872 and the pews are homemade with square nails. The restrooms are in the fellowship hall/kitchen - a separate building behind the church. No one had ever devised a written safety/security/ emergency plan -ever; as long as the church had been in existence. We also had poor or no cell tower reception at our location and no landline. Usually a policy is developed after there is a problem.

I do believe I would tell that pastor to go to hell, if he had an issue with somebody carrying

Just what the congregation needs...mashed potato brains carrying guns in church

Open the link and scroll down to the map. States in blue are where any particular church may either allow or ban concealed carry in their house of worship and on their property at their discretion as any private property owners might do. States in yellow allow concealed carry ONLY by permission of the church leadership. In the two states in red, New York and Mississippi, carrying in a church is illegal under any circumstances.


https://www.concealedcarry.com/law/concealed-carry-in-churches/