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There is no threat. I was only answering his question and trying to explain my position.

Careful my friend, this is what God says about people that make light of his Son dying for us and count it as nothing. "Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us." Hebrews 10:29

Is it not something extraordinary that the same exact dynamic is at play here in this tiny venue, as it was during Jesus's time?

You would think after 2024 years, mankind would have learned a couple three things.....

I have met two types of people who believe in god
The first group believes in god due to fear. They are always predicting about non believers going to hell for eternity. Saying you believe just because you want to go to heaven isn’t believing.
Group two are the ones who have to quote scriptures from the Bible because they don’t have the ability to formulate an opinion of their own.

Living in the Bible Belt in Tennessee has taught me how unkind most people are in the name of god. You either attend their particular church or they thumb their nose at you. Doesn’t matter if the church is the same denomination or not.

Parts of me admire people who have blind faith in god. The way my brain is wired I will remain a non believer until a sign from god convinces me to do otherwise.
I will not fake a belief.

Rather than looking for a sign, you may not even recognize when it comes, why not just read the scriptures for yourself and formulate your own opinion? Regardless of the flaws of human nature that twist scripture to its own purposes, it seems to me arrogant to dismiss what millions of people have held sacred for thousands of years to seek your own proof on your own terms.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, I was born and raised in the Bible Belt about an hour and a half north of you. I gots stories!


Those two views are definitely predominant in that region and less so but still a strong influence in other regions that I’ve lived in.

I agree with the first type that you defined. The second type is accurate but I think that its origin can be better defined.

I believe the strongest influences on the second group to be the isolation of the Scot Irish on the early frontier, the need to survive having a higher priority than education and the plague of circuit riding preachers that preached a brutal moralism. Those influences are still strong in that region and regions to where those (my) folk moved and they mold and shape people but not always in good ways.

Those influences and mentalities impacted me in a very negative way. However, I didn’t move away from faith although my faith was deeply challenged. Rather, those influences pushed me to understand the factors that had formed me so that I could look to see if there was truth.

Those are not the only representations of Christianity and Christian’s though. There is another but I’d like to think of how to define it in with proper context.

Quote "It wasn't nearly as much suffering for Jesus as it would be for a normal person. He had full knowledge that it wasn't really the end for him and that he was merely passing from one place to another. In the new place he would be worshipped, respected for evermore. Sure, there was some temporary pain, but he knew he would transcend all that."

Jesus knew exactly what He was going to go through, thats why the night before his crucifixion we get these accounts, Matthew 26:39 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” and Luke 22:44 And being in agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became as it were great drops of blood falling down upon the ground.
He was not just going to die a physical death, He was going to have ALL the sin of the world be put upon Him, because only He could pay the price from times before to all time after and all this while being separated from the Father...
Also let's not forget that he was beaten beyond measure before all this happened, this is Isaiah's description 52:14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him[c]—
his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
and his form marred beyond human likeness—and 53:2-5 He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

Absolutely, I do.

It is not a loaded term in the least. When you shoot your deer in the fall you are the causal agent of its death. There is in fact a causal agent to existence. You claimed above 2+2=4 because it just is to which I challenged you to elaborate and explain your claim. The nonsensical answer you provided doesn’t do that so try again. There is a causal agent to the everything both man made things and non-manmade things.

Just some rambling thoughts from the back of the room......

This is no more or no less complicated than the basic struggle between good and evil. God is good, Satan is evil, end of story. And the influences of either are easily seen by anyone with even half a lick of sense. Why anyone would live their lives with an adamant rejection of good is just beyond me.

We spend our lives mistreating ourselves, each other, this planet and all that's in it, and we mistreat our Creator. Not one of us deserves God's grace, yet, with a simple sincere plea for forgiveness, He gives it.

It's a little late to continue to be torn up about the first coming of Christ. Mankind has been given many second chances, and have royally screwed it up each and every time.

The real concern should be the second coming of Christ, because as promised, when that happens, God will take His believers home in one fell swoop, the non-believers will be left to Satan, and this world will cease to exist. Like it or not, since Jesus died on that cross, we are currently living through our one last chance.

Hold on there big guy, let me say I use bible verses because first they are the word of God and I don't want to misquote Him and second if I give you my opinion you will just say " well that's your opinion". I can give you my opinion all day long and it doesn't mean squat because I don't make the rules but if I give you the word of God then your argument is with Him not me, and He's a big boy so go ahead and ask, complain, or protest, many have in the bible.

And yes you are right about believers fearing God because He warns us to. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" also "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

With that being said God is good, kind, patient, and righteous also saying in Romans 2:4 "Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?"

On your last note, yes Christians including myself can be azzholes but that's part of the human condition and I really do try my best. And you were right not to try and fake anything because God will call those people out on the last day.

You missed the most common type of believer, of which the Fire has many, like those who believe and rarely if ever say anything to give you a clue and never quote any scripture and do so as to not make waves. They'd just as soon you go to hell in peace or don't want to ruffle feathers, I suppose. Ha, many fear upsetting someone or making an enemy and turning someone who doesn't believe against GOD. Ha, they don't want to turn someone against GOD who is going to hell. GOD said your blood will be on their hands. HE said those who acknowledge JESUS CHRIST will be so done in return in front of The Father.

The signs from Heaven are all around you. None are so blind as those who would not see.

Dogs and donkeys and shrimp and the heathen contemplate them not.

Your very life is a blessing from GOD, yet you contemplate that not.

HE said, Let there be light, and the spark of life occurred which your gods can not create.

The spark of light that occurs when a spermatozoa penetrates a human egg.

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question?? Why defend your position? Just an observation but appears that you have a savior complex and your coming across as holier than thou. Why?

That wasn't my intention at all. I do appreciate your observation. I've always struggled with conveying my thoughts and beliefs in a way that didn't piss people off. I'm still working on it. Got any advice to that end?

The very definition of taking the Lord's name in vain.

Yeah, If there was a chance in Hell of the God of the Bible actually existing I might be worried.

So God is not micromanaging earth and has given the earth to man for a time period...therefore he doesn't intervene and stop the priests sexually abusing children who go to church to learn about God and to be good Christians. Yet, there are plenty of examples of where God does intervene, such as where a tribe of people worship some other "idol" in which case he states such when known quotes as "I will execute great vengeance upon thee, rebuking them in my fury, and they shall know that I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon them". Why is he so selective about "intervening", unless sexually abused children by priests don't matter but someone else not worshiping Him does matter?

Another threat by God...behavior that isn't tolerated in a modern world, but it's ok for God to do it.

I fail to see how your not understanding light is proof of God.

Why don't some of you strong defenders of God's disgusting behavior or lack of intervention when appropriate, be strong enough to call him out and tell him he needs to lift his game? He needs to change.