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That might be the wrong way to approach this question. The function of the Second Amendment is more to restrain the actions of government in the US, in light of rights belonging to all human beings, not just Americans.

That said, the first duty of an official of the US, upon discovering an illegal alien, is to place them in custody (awaiting deportation), and no one argues that a person in custody has a right to bear arms while in that condition. Let them iron out the status of their rights with their own governments, upon their return.

Very interesting Pandora Box she opened.

Liberals will argue the protections of the Constitution apply to anyone physically present in the United States or its territories regardless of citizenship. They are even trying to expand the privilege of voting to illegals. If that be the case the protection of the Second Amendment should apply as well.

If the Executive Branch was doing their job the issue of being here illegally would be more or less mute. In spite of being nominated by the magic knee grow and most likely an unqualified affirmative action hire, I think the judge made the correct constitutional decision. In my opinion the Constitution gives the government no authority to place any infringements on the possession or bearing of arms for any purpose.

A bigger concern is justice brown arguing the government has the right to limit free speech which is also protected by the Constitution.

Yes, and its the exact reason anchor babies aren't citizens either.

The point is - if the 2A covers him - how can it NOT cover you? That's the unintended consequence of this.

And the “intended” consequence of this ruling by a “OBAMA” appointed judge? A ruling like this could potentially put guns in the hands of millions of gang/cartel affiliated persons and persons who are indebted to them who have families back in their home countries…which in turn will create more violent crime, which in turn will increase the cries for more “GUN SAFETY” legislation.

Except those guys - already have the guns and are using them. This guy wasn't one of them apparently but those bad actors - already have the guns. You won't see a net increase. If you believe that suddenly illegals will NOW get guns - you've not paid attention. If a 16 year old urban youth can get them illegally, you think the illegals couldn't until this ruling?

As to the Military Chinese coming over as a sleeper - they'd not send them if they already didn't have a plan to arm them, couldn't have counted on this - it doesn't move the needle.

I'm not even saying it should cover him, but now that you say it does - you have to cover me, completely and with anything that's an infringement, you now lose that argument.

That said - I'd much much prefer he not be here and we had a solid border. But since that's not happening, open the flood gates to me having a MK18, suppressed with the giggle switch - over the counter, no wait.

Laying the groundwork for a federal police force comprised of illegal invaders.

Why would they need to? If the Fed wanted a federal police force of armed illegals, they'd just issue them firearms, no need to send Jose to Bob's Guns n Gear to buy a Glock.

ATF isn't going to tell the .fed they can't because no 4473 was filled out with an appropriate answer to 12c

I like and agree with your theoretical point. But I think there is ample evidence every day in the headlines, that there is a double standard of justice in this country now. Clearly the current laws are enforced differently for white people and people of color. That is reality.
I wish I was wrong, I wish arbitrary ATF rules were invalidated by this case, but I'd bet heavily this won't pass muster in the first round of appeals.

You're going to need to find a lefty willing to appeal this ruling and stand on the fact that an illegal immigrant is not covered under US law and subject to rules/regulations that US citizens aren't and thus don't have standing or rights to US perks, like say - voting.

They'll have to chose what they love more - illegal immigrants or restricting guns. I have a feeling they'll chose the immigrants and we, as a by product, end up with the gun rights restored.

The 4473 form that is in opposition to the infringe nention in the 2A?

Anyone else recall when NRA was lobbying for getting the feds involved in state and local level justice systems by way of Project Exile?

Assuming you are meaning the US border?

If so, what nationality would be trying to prevent you from arming yourself in that scenario?

Who cares if the room temperature scumbag lying in the puddle of blood on the floor has a gun in his hand? No parole from the graveyard!

So a cop(oh what the hell, anyone else too) should be able to rape and murder an illegal alien since they have no rights according to you?

Focus on the question instead of trying to smear me by claiming I support illegal aliens being here because I can assure you that you are wrong if you want to go that route.

Stealing it is an obvious crime. Buying it as being a crime is made up crap after the founding of the country.

[quote]A person Legally in the US has a RIGHT to the 2A, endowed from our creator and no government can take that away and this is a good case to point that out. While this person is illegal and this person, technically is a criminal - they still enjoy the right to the 2A while in the US. Now explain how you take the 2A away from someone who isn't.....
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Fixed it for you. A convicted felon has no right to bear arms, Neither should anyone that entered this country Illegally. Their rights reside in their home country. Which they should be sent back to as soon as they are discovered here. miles

I worked with a couple of Federal Agents who came over from INS. We were talking about the Marial Flotilla people and I said something like they don’t have rights and they said as soon as they hit US soil they were afforded every Constitutional Right!

Inalienable rights are a thing. Just because elites and their supporters(such as yourself) dislike the concept doesn't make it true.

Still looking forward to hearing this one.

So a cop(oh what the hell, anyone else too) should be able to rape and murder an illegal alien since they have no rights according to you?

Focus on the question instead of trying to smear me by claiming I support illegal aliens being here because I can assure you that you are wrong if you want to go that route.