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There are no atheists in foxholes....or paras about to jump into a hot DZ.


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There are no atheists in fox holes or in the open doors of a para's aircraft.....

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The probability of the universe existing, the probability of it existing and being so vast, whether by the hand of God or not by the hand of God, is so low that it is close to zero. It is just unbelievable that existence exists - no matter how it came about. Yet we know it does exist. The probability argument and the vastness argument therefore does not swing things in favor of "no god", in fact it swings things in favor of "god". If on the balance of probabilities that god exists, then which god? No one has come up with a better explanation of what constitutes god that what we have in the West.

You can't determine the probability. There may well be infinite universes (multiverses) if which case life is then inevitable.

God is just a pacifier placeholder for the superstitious and solves nothing - you can"t solve a mystery with another mystery.

The probability of the universe existing is 100%.
If you buy a ticket in USA Power Lotto, the chance of winning is one in many million perhaps when you buy the ticket. The fact that you may win, doesn't mean there was a 100% chance of you winning before you have won. The fact that the universe does ultimately exist because of the hand of God or because of something else, doesn't mean that there was 100% probability that it would exist, unless you can find irrefutable evidence that it was always going to be created or always existed, with no possibility of an alternate outcome.

You have insufficient data to calculate the probability of our universe existing.

You have no substantiation of there only being two options that you list - the guess fest would be an infinite free for all. Creation alone has many versions - none make sense, none have supporting evidence and they all use magic.
The atheist model, results in a situation that is currently taking place in your country. People turn away from God, have no moral compass, sodomy is rife, abortion is rife for those few remaining people who have heterosexual relationships, unmarried mothers are rife resulting in a huge proportion of uneducated, unintelligent delinquents. Because of the low birthrate caused by rife sodomy, and some of the other factors I mentioned, the society that you knew as a young man has been replaced by a completely different society comprised of Indians, Asians, Middle Eastern and black African people. So the atheist model does not result in a better outcome at all.

That data disagrees with you.

Who constitutes the largest customer base for Only Fans content? White, Christian, men.
Highest incidence of porn addition, same.

When we look at nearly any marker of wellbeing, income, abortion rates, single motherhood, drug use, pick one, it doesn't really matter, the more fundamentalist the population the worse the outcome.

If we hold the just income and normalize for other variable, highest earners are Atheist, followed Jews, Christians, Hindu's, Buddhist, Muslims, and last is your primitive, tribal type religions.

The forces that changed dating so much are easy transportation, modern birth control, and the cell phone/dating apps/social media.


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Originally Posted by 450Fuller
There are no atheists in foxholes....or paras about to jump into a hot DZ.


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Not true.


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You have lived in Australia?[/quote] Been there. Prefer NZ, hunting is better. USA probably the best place to live over-all, Canada is ok.

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There is science and then there’s the cult of science. Does God exist? A truly scientific mind that doesn’t believe in God says “I don’t know.”. Atheists aren’t truly scientific minds. There’s more than intelligence involved. There’s the ability to avoid prejudice and bias and atheists lack that ability.

In fact, they strongly rely on religious proportions of faith in their own preconceived notion. Otherwise, intelligent design would be considered possible. Thinly veiling atheistic confirmation bias by treating theories as laws is not science. It is using the cult of science to falsely validate one’s belief as an indisputable fact. A person can state there is no possibility of an intelligent designer, but they can’t call that approach scientific without breaking their own rules.

You may not believe in God while you’re in mortal form, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Whatever side you fall on requires faith.

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Originally Posted by Riflehunter
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Hey Mauser, why don't you stop feeding the troll? He thrives on people responding to his baiting.

It's fun shutting him down.

CCCC isn't a troll.

He's the one getting trolled.

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There is science and then there’s the cult of science. Does god exist? A truly scientific mind that doesn’t believe in God says “I don’t know.”. Atheists aren’t truly scientific minds. There’s more than intelligence involved. There’s the ability to avoid prejudice and bias and atheists lack that ability.

In fact, they strongly rely on religious proportions of faith in their own preconceived notion. Otherwise, intelligent design would be considered possible. Thinly veiling atheistic confirmation bias by treating theories as laws is not science. It is using the cult of science to falsely validate one’s belief as an indisputable fact. A person can state there is no possibility of an intelligent designer, but they can’t call that approach scientific without breaking their own rules.

You may not believe in God while you’re in mortal form, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Whatever side you fall on requires faith.

If humans are so complex they require design, and God is more complex that humans, who designed God?


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Its amusing that CCCC complains about ad homs and insults, which is the very essence of his own response.
I can't believe that he is so dumb, that on another thread he admits he is not very smart. A real Forrest Gump!

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Originally Posted by Mauser
Hey Mauser, why don't you stop feeding the troll? He thrives on people responding to his baiting.

It's fun shutting him down.

CCCC isn't a troll.

He's the one getting trolled.

Well he's the moth who was upset by the other moths coming to the flame - all were invited.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by Riflehunter
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Its amusing that CCCC complains about ad homs and insults, which is the very essence of his own response.
I can't believe that he is so dumb, that on another thread he admits he is not very smart. A real Forrest Gump!

To be fair, CCCC is actually a very smart guy. I believe he has at least a PHD in Music, and perhaps a second in something else. In certain music circles he's well known and respected. In this thread he got bested by his emotions and lost his composure, which for him is rare thing.

The sum of a man's character is not measured on single subject, nor on a particularly off day for him.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
If humans are so complex they require design, and God is more complex that humans, who designed God?

Complexity is a subjective term and I don’t understand how it’s more scientifically applicable to intelligent design than evolution. As far as question of “Who designed God?”, Christian faith suggests faith in His eternal existence . True science requires us to say “I don’t know”. Atheism claims “Gotcha”.

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If humans are so complex they require design, and God is more complex that humans, who designed God?

Complexity is a subjective term and I don’t understand how it’s more scientifically applicable to intelligent design than evolution. As far as question of “Who designed God?”, Christian faith suggests faith in His eternal existence . True science requires us to say “I don’t know”. Atheism claims “Gotcha”.

I don't like absolutes, I prefer probabilities. I may not "know" something, but at the same time be certain to 5 or 6 sigma's, and that's how language of "real" science.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Its amusing that CCCC complains about ad homs and insults, which is the very essence of his own response.
I can't believe that he is so dumb, that on another thread he admits he is not very smart. A real Forrest Gump!

To be fair, CCCC is actually a very smart guy. I believe he has at least a PHD in Music, and perhaps a second in something else. In certain music circles he's well known and respected. In this thread he got bested by his emotions and lost his composure, which for him is rare thing.

The sum of a man's character is not measured on single subject, nor on a particularly off day for him.
In music? LOL!!! He's spent many days being a troll, not just one "off-day". If he wants to be respected, perhaps he should behave on this thread like he does in real life.

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Originally Posted by Riflehunter
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Originally Posted by DBT
Its amusing that CCCC complains about ad homs and insults, which is the very essence of his own response.
I can't believe that he is so dumb, that on another thread he admits he is not very smart. A real Forrest Gump!

To be fair, CCCC is actually a very smart guy. I believe he has at least a PHD in Music, and perhaps a second in something else. In certain music circles he's well known and respected. In this thread he got bested by his emotions and lost his composure, which for him is rare thing.

The sum of a man's character is not measured on single subject, nor on a particularly off day for him.
In music? LOL!!! He's spent many days being a troll, not just one "off-day". If he wants to be respected, perhaps he should behave on this thread like he does in real life.

I got along well with him in the past, but I think everyone's a bit "off" since Covid.


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Every one a covtard.

Afraid outta their mind, of concepts beyond their capacity ta understand.

Unfortunately, just bout everthing is beyond their capacity ta understand.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I don't like absolutes, I prefer probabilities. I may not "know" something, but at the same time be certain to 5 or 6 sigma's, and that's how language of "real" science.

I guess not liking something can provoke an idea that leads to to a hypothesis, then to a theory and finally a law, so perhaps there’s some relevance at a reach. As far as the language of real science, I’m at a disadvantage and my ignorance leads me to believe it’s not essential to communicate the simplest of truths. In fact, it seems to be an effective way of avoiding the inconvenient ones (in some cases).

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Originally Posted by RayF
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I don't like absolutes, I prefer probabilities. I may not "know" something, but at the same time be certain to 5 or 6 sigma's, and that's how language of "real" science.

I guess not liking something can provoke an idea that leads to to a hypothesis, then to a theory and finally a law, so perhaps there’s some relevance at a reach. As far as the language of real science, I’m at a disadvantage and my ignorance leads me to believe it’s not essential to communicate the simplest of truths. In fact, it seems to be an effective way of avoiding the inconvenient ones (in some cases).

Ray, is Science it's hypothesis, law, then Theory.

A hypothesis is and idea to be tested. Positive results can lead to laws, and Theory's are the over arching framework explaining a set of laws.

Finding are typically stated in terms of probabilities. Generally speaking, in order for a find to be published in a peer reviewed journal it must have a minimum certainty of 2 sigma, or fall outside of 2 standard deviations from the norm. Put another way, there's must at least a 95% chance the finding is not due to random chance. Standard from some experiments can be much higher. Before the results for finding the Higgs Bozon were accepted they had to reach 7 sigma, or 99.9999999997% chance the finding were not due to random chance.

Of course that's not how Fox or CNN published the results. They will announce "Scientist found the Higgs Bozon", not "Scientist are 99.9999999997 certain they found the Higgs Boson."


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Originally Posted by DBT
Its amusing that CCCC complains about ad homs and insults, which is the very essence of his own response.
Not laughter material. If want the lesson on objectivity, see my response regarding Riflehunter's pleas for ignore. The essence of that post is based purely on things he has already posted - positions taken - actual evidence from his keyboard. Not wishes or guesses - not based on any personal animosity. If he or others find the post insulting, it is due to facts - not ad homs.

You really should learn the difference between the unlearned personal smears some post - seemingly due to frustrated ignorance - and the logical, objective content-based critiques of posts and the ostensible reasoning. You know - the objective evidence-based critiques that cause your ilk to itch and chafe, right after you dash at the flame. If you learn that, it may help you be a better person - or, at least, a better poster.

Now, once again, maybe post the real reason(s) that your type come to get stuck on the glue paper strip?


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Originally Posted by Riflehunter
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There is no 'atheist model.' There is politics and ideology, The far left, the far right and those who fall somewhere between.

Believing in God is no guarantee of good behaviour, far from it in fact.
You can substitute "model" with "outcome" if you would prefer.

Outcome being determined by intention and purpose.... if atheism plays little or no part in what are political and ideological decisions and actions, atheism cannot be blamed for the outcome of these actions.

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Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Its amusing that CCCC complains about ad homs and insults, which is the very essence of his own response.
Not laughter material. You really should learn the difference between the unlearned personal smears some post - seemingly due to frustrated ignorance - and the logical, objective content-based critiques of posts and the ostensible reasoning. You know - the objective evidence-based critiques that cause your ilk to itch and chafe, right after you dash at the flame. If you learn that, it may help you be a better person - or, at least, a better poster.

Now, once again, maybe post the real reason(s) that your type come to get stuck on the glue paper strip?

There you go again, desperatley trying to turn the tables, playing a rightous man, the tragic victim even while being the aggressor, hurling insults even while complaining about what you reap.

You do precisely what you accuse your opponents of.

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