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The political decisions come about by what politicians think will get them the most votes. If a large part of the population are atheists, then those decisions that favor atheists will be made by the politicians.

Can you prove that remark?

Who is fleeing? Where are they fleeing?

Most people are concerned with their daily lives, cost of living, paying their bills, raising families, enjoying life, while business is concerned with turning a profit, shareholders, dividends, etc.

That applies to theists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, etc....and atheists.

You’re changing what you said. Maybe you don’t realize because you don’t understand how to talk about probabilities. That’s okay, most people don’t.

If you see a coin on a table with the heads pointed up. That coin has a 100% chance of being heads. The universe already exists so it is the same, 100%. That is different than saying what the probability of that coin being heads is, if you didn’t know or the coin hasn’t landed on the table yet.

It may sound nit-picky, but sloppy thought processes are how people start thinking they have an invisible friend in the sky

Hey Mr. Frustration - I'm not righteous - in the least. I added some more factual info about Riflehunter's stuff to that post - maybe go read it again.

It may help you understand the key differences between what you read and what you imagine - the realty of objectivity versus the fantasy on which you base your attacks. You undermine yourself and then try to sling insults as you drop into the pit of self-delusion. Try to get a hold on something solid.

If this is true then the largest population we have must be LGBT+, and/or black.

Do you really think you and I are all that different?

Yes, there's an important distinction between a "prior probability" and a "known outcome".

To clearly answer the question from the OP: Yes, I believe in the triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Throughout history there has only ever been one "stairway to heaven:" The Son of Man, Jesus Christ. This was true even before Christ's incarnation, birth, crucifixion, and resurrection and continues to be true today as well. [Job 19:25] Scripture records a "great cloud of witnesses" professing this same truth throughout history. [Heb 12:1]

Prior to Christ's incarnation, God acted to steward the nation of Israel so that it would bring forth Christ exactly as foretold "so that Scripture might be fulfilled." The Old Covenant, along with His rod, was largely established to keep the nation separate from the world and close to Himself. While God did not change, once Christ came into his glory, the Old Covenant was fulfilled and the New Covenant, which had always existed, became manifest. No one, before or after Christ, was saved by keeping the Law.

Since the fall, there has always been misery in the world, corruption in the church [Jer 23:1-2], and abuse of children [Ex 1:15ff]. There is nothing new under the sun. I believe there is also hope even among those killed by Herod/Pharaoh, those sacrificed to Molech, and those aborted in our day. This hope is centered on Christ and conveyed even to the unborn by the Holy Spirit. In this matter, I do not place limits on God.

In this thread, the faithful have made their confession (each in their own fallible way), are shaking the dust from their cloaks, and are departing the conversation. Be not concerned that what remains is dominated by mockery. [Acts 18:6; Ezk 33:1-6; 2 Kgs 19:14-16] Broad is the road... And yet, their end has not yet come. There is still time. Consider the conversion of St. Augustine.

The crux of the disagreement is clearly set forth in 1 Cor 15:14-19. Has Christ been raised from the dead? If not, we Christians are most to be pitied. It's no wonder that Easter, less than two weeks from now, is our highest festival.

This I believe, Lord help my unbelief. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to sound the trumpet.

Excellent

Isn’t it odd that they used to teach theory being explanations that could change and laws (like facts) were proven and couldn’t change? My son’s lesson identified that as a “Misconception”. LOL. Well, yeah…..they used to teach it. But we’ve digressed.

I do appreciate your reference to probabilities. Especially when it comes to the discussion about intelligent design. Its refreshing to hear someone that doesn’t believe in God take a more agnostic approach. Injecting belief as a science-based fact and gaslighting the act just discredits their argument, regardless of education.

Ray, everything in real, (non-political) Science is open to newer, better, more convincing evidence.

A great example of this is The Theory of Gravity as understood in the time of Newton. We thought we understood how gravity worked, but this guy named Einstein came along and turned all that on it's head. Despite Einstein proving gravity is not an attractive force, but a mass induced curvature of space/time the Newtonian Laws are still useful approximations for small scale gravitational problems, but for large scale problems they no longer work. So, Newton's Law's and The Theory of Gravity was overturned, and at the same time, not overturned, depending on the scale and application.

Einstein's paper on General Relativity was published in 1915 so the possibility of our understanding of the laws of physics changing is not new.

As for my position on the existence of a Universal or greater (Multiversal?) supernatural force, I'm technically agnostic. but my current level of certainty is sufficient that for practical purposes I'm am Atheist and more honest than representing myself as agnostic.

Forty three pages. Rick is milking it.

The fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'—cannot hear the music of the spheres.

Humans can not understand the nature of God, it has to be simplified, like the Newtonian Theory of Gravity. There is absolutely no conflict between science and God.

Man has at different times and places believed in thousands of different Gods.

Christians sometimes seem to find it difficult to understand how I could not believe in their Christian God.

It’s pretty simple actually. All those other gods you don’t believe in. Throw the Christian God in with them and that’s what I believe.

I believe that God is the Creator of the universe, and that Jesus is the Son of God, and that the Holy Spirit lives in each of Jesus’ followers from the moment of their salvation. And I believe that people are the supreme object of God’s creation, and that people will exist eternally with or without God, and that salvation is God’s free gift to ALL of us, but we must accept it.

Could someone who does not believe in the existence of a God, kindly explain to me how the laws of physics came about? Let us assume that the universe either always existed in some form or came into existence without a God. Matter and energy in the universe follow laws. That is why we get planets revolving around the sun, black holes, light reaching us after a calculable time etc, etc. There isn't complete chaos (because of a lack of laws), but rather an orderly universe because of the existence of laws. How did those laws (not the matter or energy) come about if they do not represent either God itself or were created by God? If you say those laws always existed, why would they have always existed? If you say the laws "evolved" how did that happen?

It i mind blowing, The vast and dangerous and beautiful world what we live in, That there's no effing way we can understand how amazing the universe and still people still believe there's now Creator.
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