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Regardless of one's belief/disbelief here, there are very good examples of strong, honestly expressed intellect/knowledge/logic, versus the definite lack thereof, as antelope_sniper deftly draws out the picture of Riflehunter. Educative. Good work.
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Nope..... If I am presented with something that is clearly artfully and skillfully crafted, I may not HOW it was crafted, but I will know THAT it was crafted. You are just trying to re-package the "something from nothing" baloney. You know no such thing. You can't seem to able to tell the difference between faith and its assumption of truth and actual knowledge. Plus you keep invoking the strawman 'something from nothing' no matter how many time it's pointed out that I made no such claim. Instead of making your own special rules, read what is said before responding emotionally. Back to third grade reading comprehension for you….. Let me dumb it down for you…..try to follow closely…. Your doorbell rings and there is a package delivered….. you open it and find a small black sphere that some how plays Waltzing Matilda over and over again…. It won’t stop playing….you can’t turn it off….there are no switches, it just keeps on playing. You don’t know why or how does this….it just keeps on doing it. You may conclude that this black sphere exists…..you do not know who sent it to you, but here it is, playing the tune over and over again…You don’t know HOW it works, but you know THAT it works ….because it is sitting RIGHT THERE in front of you playing that song. You don’t even know WHY it works. Further….if you really think hard, you realize that someone made it and then even sent it to you. Hmm…. Someone made something, knew you and sent it to you. You might even say “Remarkable.” Or, he might say " My personal and limited human knowledge and logic systems are insufficient for understanding this completely, I hate this thing and all that it represents and expects of me, and therefore I declare that it does not exist". And there you go. An mysterious musical ball that you know nothing about, nothing about its origins, and you've all ready jumped to "all that it represents and expects of me".
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Unfortunately, there is a lack of honesty on this thread exhibited by many participants. They adopt a stance on a specific issue and no matter how plausible the counter argument is and how flawed their own argument, they will not concede anything at all to the counter-position. Perhaps some here should learn to be a little bit more humble. So never is agreement reached. There's also evidence of excessive trolling, by persons who should know better than to exhibit such childish behavior and weak character, which has also spoiled this thread. I just pray that even the most insignificant of you, have benefited in some small way from my wisdom.
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Nope..... If I am presented with something that is clearly artfully and skillfully crafted, I may not HOW it was crafted, but I will know THAT it was crafted. You are just trying to re-package the "something from nothing" baloney. You know no such thing. You can't seem to able to tell the difference between faith and its assumption of truth and actual knowledge. Plus you keep invoking the strawman 'something from nothing' no matter how many time it's pointed out that I made no such claim. Instead of making your own special rules, read what is said before responding emotionally. Back to third grade reading comprehension for you….. Let me dumb it down for you…..try to follow closely…. Your doorbell rings and there is a package delivered….. you open it and find a small black sphere that some how plays Waltzing Matilda over and over again…. It won’t stop playing….you can’t turn it off….there are no switches, it just keeps on playing. You don’t know why or how does this….it just keeps on doing it. You may conclude that this black sphere exists…..you do not know who sent it to you, but here it is, playing the tune over and over again…You don’t know HOW it works, but you know THAT it works ….because it is sitting RIGHT THERE in front of you playing that song. You don’t even know WHY it works. Further….if you really think hard, you realize that someone made it and then even sent it to you. Hmm…. Someone made something, knew you and sent it to you. You might even say “Remarkable.” Or, he might say " My personal and limited human knowledge and logic systems are insufficient for understanding this completely, I hate this thing and all that it represents and expects of me, and therefore I declare that it does not exist". And there you go. An mysterious musical ball that you know nothing about, nothing about its origins, and you've all ready jumped to "all that it represents and expects of me". Actually, not so - as you are not able to know what I know and don't know. And, as noted with the term "might", it is not a concrete assumption. It is conjecture about what one might say. And, there we go.
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Unfortunately, there is a lack of honesty on this thread exhibited by many participants. They adopt a stance on a specific issue and no matter how plausible the counter argument is and how flawed their own argument, they will not concede anything at all to the counter-position. Perhaps some here should learn to be a little bit more humble. So never is agreement reached. There's also evidence of excessive trolling, by persons who should know better than to exhibit such childish behavior and weak character, which has also spoiled this thread. I just pray that even the most insignificant of you, have benefited in some small way from my wisdom. Maybe you feel as though you deserve a mass apology - is that what you are seeking? In keeping with your many and various pronouncements in this thread about God, His disgusting behavior and your described relationship, why don't you simply do as you have done in the past? Simply instruct God what to do about all of these "many participants"? And, maybe insist/demand that he do so. Kindly let us know how your personal method works for that.
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Unfortunately, there is a lack of honesty on this thread exhibited by many participants. They adopt a stance on a specific issue and no matter how plausible the counter argument is and how flawed their own argument, they will not concede anything at all to the counter-position. Perhaps some here should learn to be a little bit more humble. So never is agreement reached. There's also evidence of excessive trolling, by persons who should know better than to exhibit such childish behavior and weak character, which has also spoiled this thread. I just pray that even the most insignificant of you, have benefited in some small way from my wisdom. The irony in the post is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Wabigoon, whilst some have come to this thread to seek the Truth, others such as See-See-See-But-Don't-See and now Antelope_Wounder (Et Tu, Brutus?) have come to troll. But even between See-See-See-But-Don't-See and Antelope_Wounder, I've noticed the friendship between them blossom and become even stronger during this thread, as they both struggle with their sexual orientation. So let's hope that it refreshes their R-souls. And so, I must bid thee all farewell, and leave you all with this: "Even all the darkness in the universe can't extinguish the light from a single flame."
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Wabigoon, whilst some have come to this thread to seek the Truth, others such as See-See-See-But-Don't-See and now Antelope_Wounder (Et Tu, Brutus?) have come to troll. But even between See-See-See-But-Don't-See and Antelope_Wounder, I've noticed the friendship between them blosom and become even stronger during this thread, as they both struggle with their sexual orientation. So let's hope that it refreshes their R-souls. And so, I must bid thee all farewell, and leave you all with this: "Even all the darkness in the universe can't extinguish the light from a single flame." Well, maybe that seeming swan song puts an exclamation point onto the finely drawn picture - but is he also hinting that he is a flamer? Aside from the several insights that came with this thread, it is nice to hear about that unanticipated blosom (sic).
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Here’s my two cents worth. I was raised Catholic but since then nothing one way or the other.
Now about a month ago I had a thought so evil that I came to a realization. There has to be an evil spirit or devil to put such thoughts into an average fellow. Because of this I now know there must be a God.
You guys can argue all you want about stuff like heaven or hell but after this happened I know there is a greater power. The End! Edk
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Here’s my two cents worth. I was raised Catholic but since then nothing one way or the other.
Now about a month ago I had a thought so evil that I came to a realization. There has to be an evil spirit or devil to put such thoughts into an average fellow. Because of this I now know there must be a God.
You guys can argue all you want about stuff like heaven or hell but after this happened I know there is a greater power. The End! Edk That is most understandable.
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Ecc 10:2
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Here’s my two cents worth. I was raised Catholic but since then nothing one way or the other.
Now about a month ago I had a thought so evil that I came to a realization. There has to be an evil spirit or devil to put such thoughts into an average fellow. Because of this I now know there must be a God.
You guys can argue all you want about stuff like heaven or hell but after this happened I know there is a greater power. The End! Edk Yep, I concur…. I have had similar things happen to me…. Both from “good” and from “evil.” Seems like they can come from “outside” me.
The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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Of course!
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Not really.
I do think something else is out there. What it is I don't know. If every other religion is the right one, than non are right.
I've raised my kids with telling them both sides of the story. Evolution vs god.
If they choose to believe ln god than that's ok. I wanted them to make up their own mind as adults and not be influenced by me when it comes to that.
When you think about many wars, and senseless killing we as humans have done in name of someone's religion or god. That should make you question some things
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Of course!
Bit He did not invent IPA’s Dang it, KW, the Satanic Wall Street cabal invented IRAs. Sheesh. Ever body knows that. 
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Not really.
I do think something else is out there. What it is I don't know. If every other religion is the right one, than non are right.
I've raised my kids with telling them both sides of the story. Evolution vs god.
If they choose to believe ln god than that's ok. I wanted them to make up their own mind as adults and not be influenced by me when it comes to that.
When you think about many wars, and senseless killing we as humans have done in name of someone's religion or god. That should make you question some things I never really wanted mine to be left to make up his own mind about drugs, drinking and driving or playing in tha street.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Here’s my two cents worth. I was raised Catholic but since then nothing one way or the other.
Now about a month ago I had a thought so evil that I came to a realization. There has to be an evil spirit or devil to put such thoughts into an average fellow. Because of this I now know there must be a God.
You guys can argue all you want about stuff like heaven or hell but after this happened I know there is a greater power. The End! Edk Yep, I concur…. I have had similar things happen to me…. Both from “good” and from “evil.” Seems like they can come from “outside” me. If these thoughts from outside your person persist, you really should considered seeking a psychiatric consultation. Seriously, I’m not saying this to be insulting or anything like that. Also, you might considered having a trusted friend or family member control you access to firearms until your sure these thoughts are under control.
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Here’s my two cents worth. I was raised Catholic but since then nothing one way or the other.
Now about a month ago I had a thought so evil that I came to a realization. There has to be an evil spirit or devil to put such thoughts into an average fellow. Because of this I now know there must be a God.
You guys can argue all you want about stuff like heaven or hell but after this happened I know there is a greater power. The End! Edk That is most understandable. You suffer from the same delusion. What's a greater power? You two use the same definitions or like the warm and fuzzy that it gives you irrespective? (BTW, you'll need to have a quiet chat with antlers about sentence structure - he provided one without a valid arguement and I had to edit it for him to strong man his arguement. Haven't heard from him since.)
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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