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thats yer opinion

Others do. Actually, BILLIONS of others do. In Creation itself.

Sure, and once upon a time people believed the sun and moon revolved around the Earth and that heavy and light objects fell at different rates. the Argumentum ad populum in not convincing, just like the fallacies I demonstrated above.

"On a hill far away, stood an old, rugged Cross."

It's a nice sentiment, but it's not evidence.

But we are not living in those times. We know MUCH more now than people did then. There is now good evidence that space, time, and matter had a beginning. And to assert that it all came from nothing…cosmological nothing being defined as the absence of space, time, and matter, and the laws of physics…without a creative cause, is an extraordinary claim.Bein’ on the bandwagon…in and of itself…is often not convincing. But could you denying the evidence that BILLIONS of other people see likely point out a clear bias that you have simply because you don’t want there to be a God…?

My wants are irrelevant. When I first began this exercise, it was to provide irrefutable proof for the existence of the Christian God. That's not what I found.

You should convert to Shintoism. The Japanese people are smarter than Americans, and they are Shinto, not Christian. Are you going to deny the evidence of their beliefs simply because you want to believe in your God?

All science pivots on the big bang, Which is far harder to believe than a divine creator. You do not need religion to understand God.

No, your wants are clearly not irrelevant. You wouldn’t be the first atheist/agnostic to not want there to be a God.

“It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, ‘hope’ that I’m right in my belief. I don’t ‘want’ there to be a God; I don’t ‘want’ the universe to be like that.” - Thomas Nagel, professor at New York University who teaches philosophy and law, and he’s an atheist. And as an atheist he makes an extraordinary confession...he clearly didn’t just come to the conclusion based on the data...he said: “I ‘want’ atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers.”

Blaise Pascal said, “People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” And then they go looking for reasons to substantiate their belief. Could it be that this applies to your findings regarding the existence of the Christian God...?

How ‘bout a Divine Creator who used the Big Bang to achieve His creative objectives…?I don’t disagree with that position, but it’s likely more accurate to say you don’t need religion to have a relationship with God.

Science doesn't ask you to believe anything. Observation and acquired information leads to explanations, a theory or hypothesis for what has been observed, cosmic background radiation, galaxies moving apart (unless gravitationally locked), etc.

Still trying to figure out which one 'to believe in'. So far I like Neptune the best.

That really depends on one's capacity to comprehend the evidence for the Big Bang. Just because it's simpler to believe in magical being does not make it the correct answer.

science asks you to believe the big bang theory, a baseless, impossible to prove and a way out there idea. Im not po-po'ing all science, just where they start. Also evolution is only made possible with huge lapses and there is zero proof that man and frogs were once relatives.

Just got home from a special Thursday service.

Sunrise service on Sunday.

They say they do. Just invoking the word 'evidence' doesn't make it so.

The existence of the universe is evidence that a universe exists, not how it came about, whether it's cyclic, a part of a multiverse or something not yet imagined.

Christians keep telling me the most important thing about their religion is belief. Faith based belief in their one true God. Not how you live your life. Not how you treat others. Those things can all be forgiven. Belief is the thing God most needs from you.

There is an important and reason for this. It’s pretty obvious once you think about it. What makes a God is belief. Without belief God dies. God seems very real to those that believe, but without that belief there is no God. A figment of our imagination that disappears the moment the belief goes away.

You are not asked to believe anything, background microwave radiation is there, as is doppler red shift, etc. You disregard the evidence in favour of a preferred belief.

When you see the word ‘believe’ in the New Testament, it
comes from a Greek word that means a whole lot more than just believing something in your mind. It means ‘to put your trust and confidence in.’ In Jesus. For salvation, to be reconciled to your Creator.

Then, since your sin is now paid for, go and live a life that reflects the love and forgiveness of God as you mirror that in your love and forgiveness of the people around you.