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Homicide Trial finishing in Wisconsin. Seems like a viable self defense argument.


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I listened to Matt Walsh talk about this today. WOW!

I think at the end of the day it is self defense.

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Guy was wading in a popular river looking for a lost phone and was randomly accused of being a “pervert” and aggressively approached by a gaggle of drunk teens looking to fight? Is that the gist?


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Originally Posted by Timbermaster
Guy was wading in a popular river looking for a lost phone and was randomly accused of being a “pervert” and aggressively approached by a gaggle of drunk teens looking to fight? Is that the gist?


Yes. Seems he could have walked away at any time though.

But once he got surrounded and punched in the face the murder weapon (pocket knife) came out.

Listening to some folks and court videos, you would be led to believe the guy had a "Now, that a knife" knife and took it on his float trip to kill drunk teenagers.

I pack a pocket knife bigger than that to church.

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Why should he have to walk away? Sounds righteous.

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Always like that reference, "Teens". Looked to me like those "Teens" should have left that dude alone.


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The whole thing starts with the guy saying "your trespassing" a teen says "so what if we are?" Dude then grabs the teens raft and stops them, resulting in pushing and finally stabbings. He may have dropped something after stopping them but he started the whole mess physically.

He should have let them drift on by.

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Originally Posted by Wannabebwana
Why should he have to walk away? Sounds righteous.
Oh, I don’t know……..maybe because trying to deal with a mob of drunk teenagers is a pain in the ass?

Maybe drunk teenagers are stupid?

Not saying the guy had no right to defend himself, just saying there was a moment there he could have walked away.
In my opinion, he knows he has some culpability because he started building his case early. De-escalating the situation would have been wise.

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I think he went way above and beyond. Looks like he approached the youngsters first, and then it escalated.

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Just because he approached, told them they were trespassing, doesn't mean much.

Who assaulted who first? If the punk asked "teenager" struck first it's defense. In the video he was being assaulted repeatedly by multiple people. It's plausible, given what's been going on lately that he was in fear of his life. What about beyond shadow of doubt?

It's definitely a case of FAAFO!


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Good people are sick of having to retreat in these situations. The reason azzholes act like this is they have been allowed to get away with bad behavior.

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If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.



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Reasonable doubt.
The guy should walk.

A good point the defense lawyer made about the teens knowing they were being filmed by their friends, then everything becomes about creating some cool footage to share.


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Didn’t this happen yrs ago?

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No doubt he was a dirty cop…


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This will obviously depend upon the language of WI's self-defense laws. Some states have language in their law that essentially says, if you start a physical confrontation, you can't claim self-defense. Even when the law doesn't expressly state that, there are likely precedents that establish it.

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This is a somewhat local case, so I have to assume most of you don't know details. I hope the defendant get life behind bars.


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Originally Posted by JOG
This is a somewhat local case, so I have to assume most of you don't know details. I hope the defendant get life behind bars.

Well don't share....

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Originally Posted by RMiller2
The whole thing starts with the guy saying "your trespassing" a teen says "so what if we are?" Dude then grabs the teens raft and stops them, resulting in pushing and finally stabbings. He may have dropped something after stopping them but he started the whole mess physically.

He should have let them drift on by.

That river is not owned by any one individual. He may own land on both sides of the river, but he cannot own the land under the river or the river.

There was NO trespassing unless they were on his land, if he claimed they were trespassing by being in the river, then he started the fight.

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