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The jues on Wall Street did well and went home safely as did Henry Ford.

He had it right there

Quite a few businesses in the US played both sides and did quite well. The hard part to justify is the amount of airmen that died bombing steel bearing factories while the US continued to supply steel bearings to Germany.

https://libcom.org/article/how-allied-multinationals-supplied-nazi-germany-throughout-world-war-ii

Of course, much of the "old money" in the US comes from the opium trade in China, so it's not like those in control ever had much morals.

My father in law was on a net tender USS CINCAHONA, they closed the torpedo nets behind the Pennsylvania in dry doc. He was right in the thick of it

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/c/cinchona.html

Japan was expanding their empire. The embargo pushed them over the edge. It was only a matter of time until we ended up in it. Australia was threatened. The pity of it was it didn’t have to happen. Malta gave Germany the Sudetenland. Hitler knew France and England had no stomach for war. He split up land with Stalin then betrayed him. Thank heaven Hitler didn’t listen to his generals.

Methinks FDR was a piece of chitt, that provoked the war with Japan and knew the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming.

My aunt, by marriage, lost her brother at Pearl Harbor. I’m beginning to wonder about FDR’s involvement in this lately

Hard to believe the numbers of young American men who puked their guts out on the tarmac knowing they were loading up on those bombers and flying to their deaths to bomb Germany.

IIRC the US or US and Britain lost 2000 bombers over Germany. Very few airmen survived the required number of missions, and now we have low life POS Dimocommie corksuckers on the Fire who want to bring that death and destruction home to America by voting for the Dimocommie puppets of the NWO GLOBALIST SWAMP CABAL ROTHSCHILD/Illuminous bastard Puppetmasters.

"A third step in this business of smashing the war racket is to make certain that our military
forces are truly forces for defense only.

At each session of Congress the question of further naval appropriations comes up. The
swivel-chair admirals of Washington (and there are always a lot of them) are very adroit
lobbyists. And they are smart. They don't shout that "We need a lot of battleships to war on
this nation or that nation." Oh no. First of all, they let it be known that America is menaced
by a great naval power. Almost any day, these admirals will tell you, the great fleet of this
supposed enemy will strike suddenly and annihilate 125,000,000 people. Just like that. Then
they begin to cry for a larger navy. For what? To fight the enemy? Oh my, no. Oh, no. For
defense purposes only.

Then, incidentally, they announce maneuvers in the Pacific. For defense. Uh, huh.

The Pacific is a great big ocean. We have a tremendous coastline on the Pacific. Will the
maneuvers be off the coast, two or three hundred miles? Oh, no. The maneuvers will be two
thousand, yes, perhaps even thirty-five hundred miles, off the coast.

The Japanese, a proud people, of course will be pleased beyond expression to see the united
States fleet so close to Nippon's shores. Even as pleased as would be the residents of
California were they to dimly discern through the morning mist, the Japanese fleet playing at
war games off Los Angeles. " - Butler 1935

I’m inclined to agree. I don’t know that FDR knew about Pearl, although the first article I posted does figure that way. Truman, before becoming VP was asked about supporting the USSR. His reply was that we should support whoever was losing, and let Hitler and Stalin bleed eachother dry! I think he was dead right!
Dad was drafted in ‘42. He went into France on D-Day + 3 with the 2nd Armored Division. Drove a half track hauling a mortar squad in the 41st Armored Infantry Regiment.
When he got home after they dropped the bomb, he met my mom, whose family was then living next door to my paternal grandmother.
Reon

The writing was on the wall pacific side beforehand how the fuqk we didn’t see that coming 🤷‍♂️

The politicians always want war. It’s what makes them rich.

Interestingly enough, Japan viewed their expansion into Manchuria/China as no different than the US expansion west in the 1800's or the British imperialistic gains of the previous 50-150 years. Big difference is, it was easier for the US (and British) to label the Japanese as naked aggressors, while completely ignoring what the US did to Native Americans. Or what the British did in India, Ireland, or possibly worse yet, The Congo.

Now, I am not saying the Japanese were completely innocent, but they were absolutely backed into a corner by US policy in the late '30s...and they were tired of being treated as a little brother to Britain and the US.

Here's the crazy thing. While a considerable amount of US leadership was busy cozying up to Communism in the 1930's, Japan was viewing it as its biggest regional threat. Hell, even Chiang Kai Shek in China was a staunch opponent of Communism....he said "the Japanese are a disease of the skin, Communism is a disease of the heart". The US could have made huge inroads into stemming the spread of Communism in China, and could have resulted in a significantly different outcome in current politics (and relationships) between the US and China. The US could have focused its efforts solely behind Kai Shek during WWII, and quite possibly would have eliminated Mao Zedong and Communist influence over the country. There's possibly no Korean War in the 50's, and certainly no involvement from China. Can you imagine how much different China could be without the decades of failed policies Mao, not to mention the deaths of 40+ million Chinese?

Three did. My mother's young brother, did not. U.S. Army, 1st Inf. Div. Her other brother did, U.S. Navy Seabee. My dad's two brothers came home but his brother who was in the USMC, Guadalcanal, Cape Glouster New Britton, New Guinea, Guam, suffered severe PTSD for many years, his other brother was a Navy Seabee who was wounded by a Jap sniper on Saipan.

That war, as do all wars, seriously affected millions of families here, and elsewhere.

L.W.

EDIT: Speaking of my USMC uncle, his daughter sent me this picture of him on New Britton. They had shot down a Jap Zero. My uncle is seated with his legs on each side of the "meatball."



L.W.

The US knew they would be going to war with Japan in the 1920s. One could see it beginning as early as 1918 when Japan's participation was barely acknowledged in the granting of German reparations. A big clue was changes in US warship design starting in the 20s, especially destroyers and submarines, but also cruisers. That realization is also what gave rise to US aircraft carrier development and doctrine starting in the early 1930s. Japan's refusal to ratify the second naval treaty on fleet size in the mid-1930s gave rise to the "fast" battleship design and doctrine which saw the first ones put into service in 1941, ahead of the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Iowa class were designed around then and the first keels may have been laid down in 1941 if I remember correctly.

Japan's invasion of Korea and Manchuria further concerned the US. The clincher was Japan's increased hostilities in China during the 30s, their occupation of French Indochina in 1940/41, and Japan's intentions of occupying the Dutch possessions for their natural resources, particularly oil and rubber. Possession of this area by a power hostile to America could not be tolerated as it was a primary source of US rubber badly needed by America's industry. So, America cut off oil and steel to Japan under the guise of "protesting Japan's actions in China" as a warning. Japan received the vast majority of their oil from the US so this pushed them into bringing war on the US.

One can add in the fact that the Japanese ambassador was kept waiting for over an hour when he went to deliver the declaration of war to FDR. This guaranteed the declaration would be received well after the attack commenced. The US knew an attack was immanent but not where. The odds at the time were on the Philippines as that was the nearest major base and naval air doctrine hadn't considered a carrier attack on a large naval base to be effective. This, in spite of the success the British had on the Italian fleet at Taranto. The Japanese sure made good use of that though.

FDR was trying everything possible to enter the war on the European side, more than just supplying munitions and other material to Britain.Among other things, the US Army garrisoned Iceland to free up British soldiers for other purposes; the US claimed territorial waters out to 500 miles; the US Navy began escorting convoys to Iceland; and the US provided additional pressure on Spain to remain neutral. None of it was working as quickly as hoped but Japan was more dependent on outside resources so were easier to goad into action.

As an aside, it would have been interesting if Germany would have declared war on Japan rather than the US. That, as Oliver Hardy would say," Now, there's a fine kettle of fish...".

Name them, already.

Chiken-chitz

I haven’t made any comments on the current political climate, but I will say this here, and that will be my only comment to that effect here.
I’m a believing Christian, and I have always believed that God has used this nation as a tool for good. WW 2 is easily such a case here.
Now evil men in our government and many others are trying to usher in the Prince of Evil, and we are a stone’s throw from the tribulation that Christ and John, among many others warned us was coming.
As a stabilizing nation, the US must be eliminated, one way or another. I think there’s still enough dinosaurs like me who will fight back! I hope you’re half as paranoid as I am, and I hope you’re trying to prepare for the fight ahead.
I hope you’re not afraid lot death as I am not. I will not be here for the final battle one way or another. If Christ takes me home by rapture, that’s fine. But I will not be made a slave of anyone human or evil.
Now back to WW 2. I enjoy hearing thoughts on this, and there have been some books mentioned that I’ll be looking into for my own further reading!
American history is a passion for me, as the son of a veteran and having many more veterans in my family and friends, and a veteran myself.
Reon

Yup, many dont know the actually history. We poked japan hard. They took the bait. Fdr wanted war. When economies crash or are on the verge, what better way to slow it down or 180 it than a massive world war

Spot on

Making the world safe for communism.