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If you’re asking about the magazine article I posted I’m sure there was a subscription card for the print version. I’ll look when I get unpacked and let you know….I’d be happy to send it to you if you want.

I guess everything can fail from time to time

While others are putting confidence in foreign made scopes made by workers making $3.70 per hour, or child slaves.

The Chinaman is living better on their wage than the American is at 19 an hour.

I dont know so but I don’t think so.

Besides, does that $3.70 an hour include a health plan, employer contributions to a retirement plan, and paid vacation?

And getting beat up at the end of the day if the Chinese employee doesn’t meet his production quota?

The average Chinese mfg wage in 2022 was 97,528 yuan. That's 13,472 us dollars. They'll spend 500 a month (US) on an apartment in China, downtown. 45% of wages.

19 an hour is 39,520 US gross - they'll spend 1728 a month in rent for an apartment. 52% of wages.

I guess the US guy really is living quite a bit better than the Chinese guy, spending an extra 7% just for an apartment but hey - it's beautiful Portland.

And I'd wager the average Chinaman has much more attention to detail vice the average American taking the job that pays less than what the average fast food wage is there.


The real question tho - is the Chinaman in the factory doing a high paying job and thus likely getting better talent for the job in his area vice the Leup assembler wage compared to local options. That I don't know.

How much of "Leupold's are failing" is based on actual fact, versus targeted social media efforts by their competitors to try to gain some market share? As an example, Vortex must have one of the largest advertising/marketing budgets, based on how much you see them splashed across everything printed, filmed or blogged. In today's age of social media, "marketing" also includes paid social influencers and internet trolls that try to sway opinion or create false narratives.

It was interesting to see how effective the marketing can be. I watched my daughter's boyfriend shop for a scope at the DSC convention. Out of all the brands, he kept picking up the Vortex out of brand recognition. I think he ended up buying one of the Vortex scopes that's sourced from China.

Exactly. They target the advertising and marketing to the masses that don't know any better. Call it tactical, long range, or add certain words or acronyms and the sheep suck it up.

Reupold does it to themselves. Hint.

When you send their broken schit back to their VERY busy Repair Facility,they'll list a report of maladies to Vortex. Hint.





You Retarded Brokedick Professional Victim Crying Kchunts are a fhuqking riot! Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

I don't pay much attention to the uber-high end scope market as I personally have no interest in it. It seems to me that most every optic seller nowadays makes products that match a certain price point, which makes perfect sense, to me anyway. It also seems to me that Vortex does a better job of marketing and warranting their offerings than most anyone else and it's paid off big time. If a guy wants an inexpensive optic, more power to him as it has no bearing on what I'm doing. I'm always amazed at people's reactions regarding what other people are doing with their own money. As a matter of fact, after the Liberty Optics screwing over their Vortex customers fiasco, and the way Vortex went waaaaay above and beyond to take care of their consumers, I have the utmost respect for them as a company nowadays. I'd have to speculate that I don't know of one single company that would have went to the lengths Vortex did to make customers happy. In today's age of bad/poor/nonexistent customer service, what Vortex did was a breath of fresh air.

I've yet to see a Vortex track,repeat or hold zero. Hint.

Just sayin'...............

Please do, I'd appreciate it.

Are you suggesting that Leupold does not engage in the same sorts of things to positively affect its own image relative to competitors?

This applies equally to both Vortex and Leupold.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't, I don't know. Leupold has been in the optics ecosystem for a long time and probably has a pretty established and traditional marketing approach (conjecture on the latter point, on my part).

Heck, I'm 58 years old and own a business and all my marketing is through phone calls and handshakes. I don't do Facebook, Twitter, blogs, e-blasts etc.

A newcomer to the market might have a whole different (and modern) marketing approach that involves a more strategic digital presence and marketing philosophy, including influencers/misinformation etc., that might employ some more "black ops" as part of that approach. The old adage, say it enough and from enough rooftops and people will start to believe it.

I was just asking if we're certain there's a problem with Leupold products, based on actual fact. Or is it the proverbial a friend of a friend said... that ends up taking on a life of its own?

I guess the only one that would really know if quality and reliability of the product has suffered, would be Leupold, through their own product metrics.

Trends you say.

BOGO on Wal-Quil DM this weekend only

Vortex is garbage

Sadly, I never saw a Vortex at the range or in the store I would buy.

Nothing 'sad' about that at all. That's just a good decision. 👍

The Golden Eagle series is actually pretty decent. But at that price point, there are many better options.

Good shootin' -Al