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I recently assembled a DIY pre-fit 308, my second very similar 308, so I decided to make this one a bit different by going with a scope unlike anything I've used in the past (all scopes are some form of Duplex, SFP), the new scope is a Leupold Mark 4HD 2.5-10x42, FFP, PR1-MOA, non-illuminated (the FFP & MOA are new to me). I've only had the scope/rifle to the range once and it was just to dial it in and check rifle for accuracy, did not check tracking by any means. Much to my surprise, the rifle liked the Hornady Spire Point 165s the best at .291" three-shot, the match ammo was .437". To my question, I like this scope but have not used it for hunting, some same non-illuminated, FFP not so great for hunting, can't say myself but I'm most interested in what would be considered max range for a 10x scope, speaking target here, not live game (that to come later with practice, dialing for MOA and MOA trajectory confirmation). I've heard all sorts of ideas/formulas, such at 1x per 100 yards, etc...
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To my question, I like this scope but have not used it for hunting, some same non-illuminated, FFP not so great for hunting, can't say myself but I'm most interested in what would be considered max range for a 10x scope, speaking target here, not live game (that to come later with practice, dialing for MOA and MOA trajectory confirmation).
I've heard all sorts of ideas/formulas, such at 1x per 100 yards, etc... That also depends on the reticle and the type/size of target.
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To my question, I like this scope but have not used it for hunting, some same non-illuminated, FFP not so great for hunting, can't say myself but I'm most interested in what would be considered max range for a 10x scope, speaking target here, not live game (that to come later with practice, dialing for MOA and MOA trajectory confirmation).
I've heard all sorts of ideas/formulas, such at 1x per 100 yards, etc... That also depends on the reticle and the type/size of target. Let's say a 10" target with this reticle.
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I`ve found 10x suites me to 1k and change.
Remember, magnification magnifies everything, to include your heart beat, shakes, unsteady rest, conditions, etc.
Learned that lesson years ago shooting HP at 6,8,9, and1k, any rifle, any sight, prone with sling. (I was to my eye, rock steady with my irons) At 20x I could not hold the x ring at 6. That plays with your brain.
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If the "glass" is up to it the center of that reticle will bracket that pretty nicely at 500 yards.
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I`ve found 10x suites me to 1k and change.
Remember, magnification magnifies everything, to include your heart beat, shakes, unsteady rest, conditions, etc.
Learned that lesson years ago shooting HP at 6,8,9, and1k, any rifle, any sight, prone with sling. (I was to my eye, rock steady with my irons) At 20x I could not hold the x ring at 6. That plays with your brain. I get that! "irons" are out for me these days, vision not what it once was. I see "competitive" shooters with lots of Xs on their scopes, I'm wondering how they take advantage of all that magniification?
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Having a low power scope to hide heartbeat doesn't mean it isn't there still. I shot NX8 4-32 on both my LR rifles and subscribe to the saying aim small shoot small. Ask 1,000 BRor F- Class guys why they shoot the power they do. I would rather haver the power and not need it and need it and not have it, if you can shoot say a 24x scope at 500 then a 10x I bet you pick the 24× variable as long as clarity and reticle are equal
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Having a low power scope to hide heartbeat doesn't mean it isn't there still. True, but not seeing it helps to avoid a bad feedback loop.
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I shoot my NX8 on 28x at 665 during load development and with the small dot I can center it up on a 3" black circle with a 2" white one on top of it, try that with most low power scopes not happening.
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Ask 1,000 BRor F- Class guys why they shoot the power they do. Formula One racing vs. grocery getting. Horses for courses.
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Max distance for a given magnification depends on two things: your ability to resolve the POA, and reticle subtension versus target size. You need to be able to see the target in the image, and you need to be able to see the aiming point behind the reticle. I can make 10x magnification work well beyond 1000 yards, if everything else is in place (optical quality, target size, reticle).
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Having a low power scope to hide heartbeat doesn't mean it isn't there still. True, but not seeing it helps to avoid a bad feedback loop. Seeing it tells you you better control it or learn how
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Ask 1,000 BRor F- Class guys why they shoot the power they do. Formula One racing vs. grocery getting. Horses for courses. There is absolutely no reason to not be able to shoot small or grocery get unless your a minute of deer or elk guy and that's whats wrong with LR hunting. Both my LR guns are grocery getter but will also shoot small, right tools for the job.
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A couple of years ago, for kicks I shot a practical rifle match with a SWFA 10x just to prove that you don’t have to spend thousands on a scope to be able to compete. I placed 2nd overall.
I’m not saying that it’s ideal for LR precision shooting, but you can do some pretty decent and precise work with a 10x, depending on target, reticle, and glass.
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Doesn't matter to me, I want everything stacked in my favor. I'm also looking for better than decent. I dont compete but when I started gettinging into LR about 20 years ago I figured out quick my 3x9 Leupolds weren't gonna cut it.
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Doesn't matter to me, I want everything stacked in my favor. I'm also looking for better than decent. I dont compete but when I started gettinging into LR about 20 years ago I figured out quick my 3x9 Leupolds weren't gonna cut it. For a dedicated LR rig, I’m with you. But for a LR hunting rifle, there are downsides to high magnification and the scope package it comes in.
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Doesn't matter to me, I want everything stacked in my favor. I'm also looking for better than decent. I dont compete but when I started gettinging into LR about 20 years ago I figured out quick my 3x9 Leupolds weren't gonna cut it. For a dedicated LR rig, I’m with you. But for a LR hunting rifle, there are downsides to high magnification and the scope package it comes in. That's why I have a variables, take a 10 power scope set up a 5" Bull at 1,000 can you see it? My bet is not a 10x scope out there you can center up on it. So how do you really know how well your gun shoots if you can't hold center on a Bull on whatever target your shooting at
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Like I posted earlier i would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Theres one thing I also learned you need every advantage you can get that includes good equipment, the right equipment, good shooting guns (.5 moa) minimum at the furthest distance you intend on shooting
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Doesn't matter to me, I want everything stacked in my favor. I'm also looking for better than decent. I dont compete but when I started gettinging into LR about 20 years ago I figured out quick my 3x9 Leupolds weren't gonna cut it. For a dedicated LR rig, I’m with you. But for a LR hunting rifle, there are downsides to high magnification and the scope package it comes in. That's why I have a variables, take a 10 power scope set up a 5" Bull at 1,000 can you see it? My bet is not a 10x scope out there you can center up on it. So how do you really know how well your gun shoots if you can't hold center on a Bull on whatever target your shooting at By quartering the target. No need to hold hard on a 5” Bull at 1000 for BG hunting.
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You never answered my question how do you know how well your gun shoots doing load development if you can't even hold center or close to a 5" in circle on a paper target? You have easily induced 3-4" of error in your groups
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