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Post and CH if you can find one you like.

I'd also point you to Mueller Scopes with the illuminated reticle. Good scopes for the money. There are high end scopes with the same, and they work well in low light.

If you don't understand what you are using and how it works, you won't use them to their fullest potential. 50mm scopes no better than 40mm scopes ? Don't make me laugh. I'm no fan of the 50mm scopes. But I know well what they do better. E

Jon,

That's one beautiful rig you have there; inside and out. That's one heck of a bedding job too, and everything just...fits together...just right. Congrats! Which IOR is that?

I don�t.
You�re not the only person on the planet that can focus a scope even though you think you are.
So?
Showing 50mm scopes are more useful in low light situations.
Blah blah blah�.
We know, we know � you own the only scopes on the planet made by Zeiss that have Leupold markings.
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I just want to thank you azzholes for screwing up an interesting post....again.

I've had both the #4,and the Post and Duplex. I perfer the Post and Duplex.

GB

You have one person to thank. Go back about 1 month and check the posts while he was gone. Nice, sedate board - a pleasant place to be. Then he returns.

tomk,
Thanks for the reply. Isn't it amazing! You got your info from Leup and I got mine from Leup and they aren't even close. On the positive side it is good to know that on the #4 that the heavy section is longer than what is shown on the web site or the box. If I may ask three more questions I think it will do it:
(1) Am I correct in that as the power DECREASES the wire gets THICKER and the opening in the middle INCREASES
(2) I get the feeling that the Post and Duplex might be a better all around reticle with the #4 better in very low light. Yes/No?
(3) Finally what is your choice, or is it just a pick'um?
Thanks,
Ed

Ed:

1. Yes, at low power at the same distance, the opening reveals more ground and I have never noticed the wire--sure it would. FWIW, I sight in at 200yd at 10x and shoot deer at considerably less most of the time at 6x sitting and 3x stillhunting.

2. Probably.:)

3. If I could have only one it would be the reticle in the German Zeiss, which has heavy posts like the Lupy but fine crosshairs. It also covers fewer feet in the crosshair area too, so losing the crosshair in dim light is not a big issue.

I use the Lupy for particular spots with a 7-08 in Michigan for whitetail and the Zeiss on a 7x57 and Swaro on a AI for other places. If the Zeiss made a decently lightweight scope it would be different. For me and my 17 yr old son the new Lupy glass is just as good for low light hunting. And I mean really low light.:)

If I had to to use Lupy reticle selections only...I just don't know.

tom

Relative to the object your looking at yes--but not relative to your FOV. In other words, the reticle "looks like" it stays the same size as you turn down the power while what you're looking at gets smaller--just the same as any 2nd Focal Plane scope, probably including all your current scopes.

tomk,
Thanks. I think that I will give the #4 a try. What the hell I like the look of it.
JonA,
Thanks. Of course you are right as it is still a 2nd focal plane scope.
Regards,
Ed

For 60 bucks or so, you can always fix it

That's better. We're all either stupid or the use of a riflescope is really, really complicated.

You can keep laughing as long as you keep refusing to even look through anything besides a Leupold. It's amazing how real life doesn't always add up to exactly what you'd expect from a spec sheet.

As they say in football, it's why they play the games.

Thanks.

Which one? I've got three: 2.5-10X42, 4-14X50 and 3-18X42 FFP. Mmmm, glass!

1) Yes.
2) I'd call it pretty even. It depends on which one would fade to the point where it wouldn't be useable. That would probably be light so low as to not allow you to see much over 40-60 yds. with your 40mm scope set on 6X. Pretty frustrating trying to hunt on a night that dark.
3) I use both and like both. Since my 4a isn't as bold in the thick posts as the Leupold version, I'm not quite convinced it would be favored over the P&D. I will say that I prefer either to the Medium Duplex for all of my large varmit or big game shooting. Even in daylight. E

Solve all your issues and buy this:

http://www.sportoptics.com/nightforce-nxs-2-10-32-scopes.aspx

You can see the reticle and the game in any legal shooting light.

The way I improved the low light capabilities for my Leupolds is by going to a heavy duplex. It really helped. Also for a leopard hunt I have planned that will be in low/artificial light, I selected the (ugly) Leupold 3.5X10X50 with an ill #4 German. The rheostat works great, giving me a range from a small, almost imperceptible red sliver all the way to a bold red dot. Great scope. The German #4 is a good compromise as the heavy duplex does cover almost MOA @100. jorge

Nightforce makes nice reticles, yet I wonder about a 3.2mm Exit pupil. My duplex 3-10 VX3 does fine.

I like #4s that are like the Premier retro, not the overly wide designs. PD is also a very good one. I like having an open FOV on the upper plane.

Zeiss made a simple No.2 IIRC, post w/horizontal wire.

Lit reticles do show nicely, thinking S&B flashdot, 1.5-6x42