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The maximum velocity that TAC can attain with both the 180 gr bullets is not that impressive. Now I would really want to know more such as was the lab. test brass new, once fired or FL sized?
With the 180 gr bullet TAC is off the page. With a compressed load yet its only capable of 2400 to 2500 fps. Even IMR 4198 could always do 2700 fps. Forget TAC for 180's.
With 200 gr bullets in the .358 W. a maximum compressed load of TAC can make 2500 to 2600 fps. Now this is good but RL 10 does that for me without compression in my FL sized brass.
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Savage- There is no published data from Ramshot on the .358 Win. The data I got from them came from Johan Loubser, their ballistician. Extrapolated data or real data? Dunno.
This is what Mule Deer worked up in the recent Handloader magazine (bench data):
200gr. TSX 52.0 grains 2750fps
225 Sierra 49.0 grains 2552fps
250 Nosler PT 48.0 grains 2443fps
250 Hornady RN 48.0 grains 2404fps
*200gr Winchester Factory Silvertips-2445fps
I don't believe their was any mention of compressed loads in the article. Mag primers were used.
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Sakoluvr,
Thanks for the data from Mule Deers article. Getting 2750 with a 200 gr bullet, TSX yet, in a 358 W. is new world or perhaps out of context with what I have seen with all other powders and in fact what you provided from the Ramshot ballistician.
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Was MD's load of 52 grs of TAC behind a 200 gr TSX that got 2750 fps pressure tested?
I ran up the charge on RL 10 behind a 180 gr and got very high velocities. I am not even going to say what the top velocity was as sure enough somebody may try to match it.
That was done in an old 22" barreled M99f and by the way it 'extracted' fine.
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That TAC velocity with the 200g TSX looks impressive, I bet it could kill even a Texas whitetail (which means it would be murder on a moose or elk) I wonder if similar velocities can be reached with 200g Hornadys..I would hope so as the hornady would take up less powder space.
Now a regret making a powder buy and getting 8lbs of varget for my 358. It will take all summer for me to shoot it up..I better get at it.
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I just did not get good accuracy using Varget. I have the load written down at home, but I got it from Bryce Towsley out of the American Rifleman magazine. I went back to good old 3031 (45.0 grains). Very accurate, and never recovered a Hornady 200 GR SP. I just got 2 lbs of TAC, and if it gives me the same or better accuracy as 3031, I will stick with it.
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Has anyone used the 200 Hornady or 225 Sierra on elk from a 358?
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Has anyone used the 200 Hornady or 225 Sierra on elk from a 358? Yup. Spike bull with the Sierra. Him him broadside thru the back edge of the lungs as he crossed a trail ahead of me... 75 / 80 yards away. That bullet performed well and exited. 2nd shot broke his back. I found the bullet in his spine in two pieces ( jacket and core ). Personally, I think they may be too soft for general elk hunting where bigger bulls and difficult shots occur. Place it properly and it will be fine. I switched to the 225 gr partition. Two elk, all exits.
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Plus-whatever on the 200 Horn SP; that's a great deer bullet in the .358.
Teeder, you are killing me with the tale of woe about the 225 Sierra. Dang it. It works way better for me at longer ranges than the 200 Horn (on targets), but, if it can't even be trusted to expand at close ranges... aagh. Your experience dovetails with what Sierra told me when I called them, which was to the effect that the bullet was designed for the Whelen.
I'll mention it again in hopes it gets some traction. RL7 is the absolute shiznit with bullets up to 200 grains in the .358. I can get an honest, verified 2640 fps with 200's from a 20" tube. I backed it down a grain to 2625 fps. Brass life is eternal, or nearly so (15+ reloads), the primers are round... no pressure signs of any kind, period, in my rifle. Guys I've shot many hundreds of rounds of this load and it really works.
RL7 also makes some really fun .223 loads that will cycle an AR but only use, if I remember right, 18 grains of powder.
Anyway... I know there's lots of inertia against using a new powder; it costs money. But dang it, someone PLEASE mess with RL7 and 200's, would ya?! It WORKS.
My load is far enough above the book max's that I don't want to publish it publically but PM me for details if you want. Let's just say it's a few grains above the max in the Barnes book, which is by far the highest "max" I've seen in print.
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Maybe it was a fluke. The Sierra did work great in our Whelen's, though we never hit anything big with them. My brother and a friend have switched to the 200 Hornady and Speer 180 and 220 for their .358's. Me, I'm just plugging along with the .338-06 that doesn't care what I load in it. 
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My rifle likes the Nosler ballistic tip (made for the Whelen) and the Sierra, both 225 grain. Both shoot with AA2520 (47.5 grains). Velocity is around 2400 fps.
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I had a BLR lever gun in .358 for a short time, and loaded the 200 grain Hornady Spire Point, the 180 grain Speer Flat Point, and the 220 grain Speer Flat Point. All three shot very well for me, and if I had to pick an all around bullet, it would be the 200 grain Hornady SP. That said, there was just something about that 220 grain Speer FP....
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Savage- There is no published data from Ramshot on the .358 Win. The data I got from them came from Johan Loubser, their ballistician. Extrapolated data or real data? Dunno.
This is what Mule Deer worked up in the recent Handloader magazine (bench data):
200gr. TSX 52.0 grains 2750fps
225 Sierra 49.0 grains 2552fps
250 Nosler PT 48.0 grains 2443fps
250 Hornady RN 48.0 grains 2404fps
*200gr Winchester Factory Silvertips-2445fps
I don't believe their was any mention of compressed loads in the article. Mag primers were used. maybe the Ramshot data was extrapolated??? I got the same info that you did today it says 48 grains max with the TAC/200grain, no mention of primer type and indicated it was a compressed load. The TSX would compress it more I would think. The 200 grain TSX at 2750 exceed factory 350 Remington Magnum velocity! I would think you could kill anything under 100 yards on this continent with that load! 52 grains!!!
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Plus-whatever on the 200 Horn SP; that's a great deer bullet in the .358.
Teeder, you are killing me with the tale of woe about the 225 Sierra. Dang it. It works way better for me at longer ranges than the 200 Horn (on targets), but, if it can't even be trusted to expand at close ranges... aagh. Your experience dovetails with what Sierra told me when I called them, which was to the effect that the bullet was designed for the Whelen.
I'll mention it again in hopes it gets some traction. RL7 is the absolute shiznit with bullets up to 200 grains in the .358. I can get an honest, verified 2640 fps with 200's from a 20" tube. I backed it down a grain to 2625 fps. Brass life is eternal, or nearly so (15+ reloads), the primers are round... no pressure signs of any kind, period, in my rifle. Guys I've shot many hundreds of rounds of this load and it really works.
RL7 also makes some really fun .223 loads that will cycle an AR but only use, if I remember right, 18 grains of powder.
Anyway... I know there's lots of inertia against using a new powder; it costs money. But dang it, someone PLEASE mess with RL7 and 200's, would ya?! It WORKS.
My load is far enough above the book max's that I don't want to publish it publically but PM me for details if you want. Let's just say it's a few grains above the max in the Barnes book, which is by far the highest "max" I've seen in print.
-jeff how much RL-7 for 2625FPS and what primer Large Rifle or LR magnum?
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A lot of people consider H4198 and RL7 to be pretty similar in their capabilities. IMR 4198 is enough faster to be different. I base this on my 45-70 experience using all three powders. I found in my experiments with the 45-70 that full power it kicks too much. The 358 and 35 Whelen at top loadings don't have what it takes to cause neck injuries.
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Thanks all! I have two powders to try now!
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I've had good luck with RL-15 in the 308,8x57 & 350 Rem. Mag..
IMR 4320 in the 8x57 & 350 Rem Mag.,is - "As Equal". I've got to believe that these Powders would be worth a try in a 358 Win..
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Has anyone used the 200 Hornady or 225 Sierra on elk from a 358? I switched to the 225 gr partition. Two elk, all exits. What is your load with the 225 Partition?
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