Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire LEUPOLD TO DISCONTINUE VXIII and VXL ????

Because I have never found a friction adjust that was accurate, you are always guessing. Seriously though, if a crappy Bushnell Sportview has click adjusts 20 years ago, why can't Leupold slap them on too?

I'd have to agree......

I don't know the internal mechanics of the friction adjustments vs. the click adjustments ... but I always thought it was a simple matter of the click adjustments being the exact same thing, only with the addition of a "toothed" ring around the adjustment, and a spring loaded ball bearing that "clicks" into the detents in the outer ring, causing the "clicks" ...

by nature of design, they are both simple screws that are threaded to a pitch (and calibrated with markings) such that as you screw up/down, it moves the erector/reticle to make the adjustments you're dialing in ...

point being, if the friction adjustments are inaccurate, the click adjustments would be inaccurate as well ...

The clicks seem to be more desirable because you can make adjustments w/out having to look at the calibrations, because you can 'feel' the clicks, and count them if/when adjusting windage or elevation ...

but yah, for the "zero it and forget it" hunters - which ARE the majority, it should make zero difference which you have, as long as you can get it to your zero, and it stays there ...

Then I guess our experiences differ, I have had no problems getting an older Leupie M8 or VariX-II to zero when sighting in ... worse case it may mean an extra group or two for sighting. Not enough for me to fret over.

"Click" adjustments move from one preset setting to another without any provision for intermediate settings that may be preferable.

For example, if your click settings move the point of impact from four inches left of your desired impact to four inches right of it at that far distant range, how can you adjust your scope to zero it on the desired point of impact at that range?

Click adjustments are nice � handy for short ranges � but lose some of their convenience with great increases in distance.

Friction adjustments � not as easy to use, thus less desirable to the lazy or impatient shooter � permit those intermediate settings that enable a scope to be zeroed at long ranges.

Remember, an inch of horizontal or vertical movement at a hundred yards is four inches at four hundred yards. And that limitation of adjustment applies to the center of the group, whose limits established by its out-lying shots are even wider.

Damn,

I thought the click adjustments were the ticket.

Now the VXII looks even better.

Point well expressed Mr. Howell.

Precisely. Friction versus click has always been a half dozen vs 6 of a kind thing for me..........

Of course, I don't use turrets either............



Casey

Oddly enough, the VX1 is the only scope I know of that doesn't have click adjustments.

agree with the VX-7 optical qualities and i like the 30mm tube appearance

Wondering how they're going to improve on the 2.5-8x36.

No kidding.

This SUCKS. I love those VX-III rifle scopes. The 3.5-10x40 is the all-time best hunting scope on the market today.

I'm not looking forward to seeing the prices on their new scope lineup that they will bring out.

I totally, 110% agree.

Steve

Looks like their "beancounters" have had their way. They are cutting out the heart and soul of the Leupy line - the VXIII's!
I bet Obama wouldn't approve!

I'm late coming to this thread, but it sounds to me like a marketing decision more than anything else. Thus, the following posts make the most sense:




It should be no surprise that pressure from the plethora of new sporting optics companies that have hit the marketplace during the last decade or so forces change. That, and Leupold's commitment (yes, I know, not a 100% commitment) to an American-made product is likely pushing them to trim the line and focus on higher end goods in order to compete. Compete or die.

Steve

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000^Nth degree ...

I admit to being a Leupold slut: I use 2x and 4x handgun scopes; a 1-4 VX1 on a 44mag carbine; a 4x M8 on a 30-06; a VariX 2 2-7x on a 35 Whelan; A Vari X 3 3.5-10 on a 7mm RM; a VX 3 2.5-8 on a 7/08. I like all of them; I feel comfortable with any on their respective arms. Don't have any idea what Leupold is thinking. Today I was at the range and among the rifles I used was a 257 Roberts with a 2-7 Nikon Monarch (discontinued model) scope. Not to change the thread here, but the old 1 inch Monarchs were/are damned good scopes. and I personally have absolutely zero interest in purchasing a New/improved 30mm Monarch. I suppose Leupold is not alone in in trying to make ends meet. I hope whatever they come up with is a GOOD scope for the money; and we all know that whatever they come up with won't please all of us. Good luck Leupie.

You know they may just be changing the inner parts and changing the name.

What is unique about Leupold? Made in America perhaps? Any other scopes made and assembled here? I can not think of any, maybe some specialized stuff...

Think we may no longer see the made in the USA stamp or the lifetime warranty....

Time will tell,

g

They must have finally got a Conquest and compared it. I did years ago.