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But What About Victims of Rape and Incest?
"You shall not murder." - Exodus 20:13

Even some dedicated pro-lifers discuss exceptions to their stand against abortion. For instance, what about an unwed teenager who is raped? Or a victim of incest? Surely abortion needs to be considered then, doesn't it? While we certainly need to show great compassion and caring for anyone in that difficult dilemma, we also must recognize that we can never remedy one sin by committing another sin. Two wrongs never make a right.

For one thing, abortion is just not a solution to the problem; it only compounds the horror. Even if the child is aborted, the horrible psychological consequences remain. As Christians, we must go beyond stopping the abortion, we must also focus on the victims' other needs. Adoption is certainly important, but so is providing the mother with financial assistance, child-care options, health care, job training, and most of all - ongoing Christian counseling to help her deal with this horrible sin.

Even these services will not completely remove the devastation caused by rape. But abortion solves nothing; in fact it only adds to the victim's inner turmoil. No matter how horrific is an evil against man, God can always bring good out of that life situation when we seek to do things His way. Christianity is for life and victory over death.

Those who would expect/force the victim of a viscious crime to endure full term pregnancy (pregnancy is a potentially life threatening condition) and give birth, are, indeed, the devil's partners.

Thank "God," Mary of Nazareth didn't have a "choice."

Dan

Your statement shows that you have completely failed to understand the moral issues at question. But why should today be any different?

No, it is you who doesn't understand: You do not understand the plight of the victim! ..... Or, the plight of all the unwanted children born of such circumstances.

Your badmouthing me....and your further punishing of rape victims does not make you right. You are wrong!

I'd bet you are a proponent of capital punishment...right?

GPA,
You are obviously a very dull tool that has not found his place in the shed. Want to see a "devil's partner" look no further than your own mirror.
My opinion is that if the baby is aborted then there are two victims of the rape. IMHO let the baby live and stretch the neck of the rapist.
I would also like to see some factual, TRUTHFUL, numbers on the number of pregnancies from a "true" rape; not some juggled numbers by pro-abortion camps.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

For my part, I am "not" a proponent of capital punishment any longer. Not since the advent of DNA testing and the discovery that a significan number of people currently serving on death row - and certainly a significant number of already executed prisoners - are most assuredly innocent victims themselves.

As a man, technically I have no voice in the matter, unless the embryo bears my genes. Unfortunately, even that has no bearing under the law, as the father has no voice either, if the woman chooses to kill her baby!

Make no mistake, calling it a fetus, or an embryo may make you feel better, but the emotional scarring the victim of the rape or incest may feel, will only be compounded by the guilt they experience later in life, every time they see a precious child and wonder what might have been.

You are an unimaginative man. Such is the pity. The law was conceived (pardon the pun) by unimaginative people.

Dan

I"ve always wondered, in a perfect world each sexual encounter should lead to full term pregnancy.... yet it doesnt'. Body aborts its own... and then in a rape you involve the medical field and its wrong.... I dunno sometimes...

The usual problem with abortion 'discussions' is that neither side is willing to give an inch.
Killing babies is wrong. However, thare are circumstances where a reasonable person would give the ok for an abortion.
Sadly, one side says NEVER, and the other side says ANYTIME.

Lack of compromise will keept this issue going forever.

As a pro-lifer, I'll give an inch. I'll give you abortions for every case of rape, incest and threat of harm to the mother. You give me the other 99.9999% of abortions. Deal?



Does civilized society punish children for the sins of their fathers???? Would you kill the child making it also a victim of the rape??

And, it's a prime example as to why religion and politics should never mix.

but they always do..........always.

And they always will. An individual's personal beliefs always carry over to the political arena as they tend to group with those of similar beliefs. Human nature.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

So the pro-lifers on this list could - say, support the "morning-after pill - yet continue to work to outlawing the "normal" type abortions?

That would at least be a step in the right direction.

The pro-choicers could push for manditory counciling sessions where women learn about the state od development of their fetus, and learn about the non-abortion options they have.

That would be a step in the right direction for them too.

EVERYONE, on both sides of the arguement wants to minimize abortions - that's a given.

One of the things that has stuck in my memory after my just-served Kairos weekend is an inmate, in one-on-one spiritual counseling with a clergy person, sobbing and screaming with the pain of having had an abortion at 17. She wanted to know if her baby is in Heaven, and was literally on her knees, wracked with sobs, unable to afford herself any kind of forgiveness for taking that child's life.

Choosing abortion is simply trading one unbearable pain for another... and killing a child as well.

Penny

Well said Penny.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

Baloney. Once you have become pregnant and borne a child, tell me then about the "life-threatening condition" and how horrible it is. Having children is one of the things that women were made for. It is the most natural thing in the world, and in the vast, vast majority of cases, safe.

Penny

Brian... For the second time in less than a week I find myself in complete agreement with you on an issue...

Is there some strange alignment of the planets, or what?

God knows the number of hairs on our head. He knew us before were were conceived in our mother's womb. God allows a child to be conceived.

Were I to become pregnant as a victim of rape, would I think that my plan was better than God's? That I was a better judge of whether or not that child should be born? What arrogance!

Things (both good and bad) happen for a purpose. God brings us through pain and suffering and brings something good and positive out of the situation. It warmed my heart to see the inmates last weekend realize this, and embrace it.

In my opinion, God decides when we are born, and when we die; He also decides who is born. It is not for us to mess with that, even though most of the time we do think (unfortunately) that we know better than God.

Penny

Leave your desk and go count to 10,Bob!!