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I know a guy that is the product of rape. He is currently in Medical School. Just sayin'
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Leave your desk and go count to 10,Bob!! Oops! Hopefully I didn't make you angry. It's okay for you to disagree with me, Bob. Honest it is. I'll still respect you in the morning. Penny
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I"ll play the other side, God brought the medical folks into this world, allowed them to be educated, and taught them what they know..... is that an extension of God? Kinda like the sermon joke, but I sent a sheriff, a boat and a helicopter during the flood.....
Its hard for me... I see both sides clearly. I also happen to know of more than a few miserable adopted children... and some that should have-- imho-- been aborted and we'd have been better off. Tis not my call, but a lot of it is not clear black and white....a lot of gray area or lack thereof the gray matter at times.
Is blocking contraception even a thought...I mean thats avoiding what should happen naturally and altering things....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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So, it's okay to legislate it for all people of all religions because your belief in God tells you that it's wrong? And your religious beliefs tell you that you MUST remove free will from all people in regard to this?
Heck, my belief in God tells me it's wrong to worship false gods. So, by that token we must outlaw silly things like Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Hindu's, Muslims.. Can't allow free will to lead folks astray now. And Sunday worship will be mandatory, or we'll sic the religious police on them.
Personally, I'll go with advocating my beliefs in church and in person and go for keeping the government out of our lives as much as possible.
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The counter argument to that would be say, human sacrifice. Just because your religion calls for human sacrifice doesn�t mean it should be allowed by law. That is why the �when life begins� thing is crucial to the debate on abortion.
If you can define any abortion as murder then you can advocate looking your daughter in the eye and telling her she has to carry her rapist�s baby to term.
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Personally, I'll go with advocating my beliefs in church and in person and go for keeping the government out of our lives as much as possible. +1
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
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Question: Does God decide who gets raped? What possible rationale could she use?
Would you as a mere mortal grant parental status...with all rights and privileges to the rapist? After all....he IS the father.
Back to God: Does she plan the many spontaneous abortions that occur? Again, what's the rationale? Why are some chosen to suffer? Why are some chosen to die?
Back to you: Why would you FORCE someone to suffer?...To be a victim, twice over?
We are sickened by the practices of some of these polygamy cults that force children to have children, and yet we say children of rape are OK. Go figure!
May God bless you in a way that you never encounter rape and/or have to deal with it.
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Your stupidity has no boundaries.
Keep striving for the bottom, marblehead!!
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I would like to ask a serious question.
Why do Christians oppose abortion so much?
There is no prohibition against it in the Bible.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
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Leaving abortion as an option,in these situations, has always been part of the prolife stance. For most of us, me esspecially the abortion on demand menatlity is the crime, not the abortion itself. The abortion itself should be an option, not a solution, in any case of pregnacy resulting from rape or insect, just like in cases of a full term prgnacy being potentially a death sentace for the mother, or possibly if a know potential of a birth defect in the child. That is more a quality of life issue. The objection is to the women who use abortion as just retroactive birth control. If carried to the extent of the original poster then birth control itself is moraly wrong, what next the resurgence of the chastity belt?
Declaration of Independance, in ENGLISH U.S. Constitution, in ENGLISH U.S. Bill of Rights, in ENGLISH If you cannot or don't want to learn ENGLISH, go back to the third world cesspool you came from
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My problem with the "Leaving abortion as an option, in these situations, ..." is how do you only leave it open for these options?
Must there be a police report? A conviction? What? And if a police report, how the <bleep> do you prevent stupid girls from filing frivolous police reports just so they can get their abortion?
Either leave it open or close it all the way.. no good answer here. You either side with government intervention and the enforcement of your morals over everyone's free will, or go with allowing freedom of choice for the individual -- Freedom to choose right from wrong, good from evil.
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So the pro-lifers on this list could - say, support the "morning-after pill - yet continue to work to outlawing the "normal" type abortions?
That would at least be a step in the right direction.
The pro-choicers could push for manditory counciling sessions where women learn about the state od development of their fetus, and learn about the non-abortion options they have.
That would be a step in the right direction for them too.
EVERYONE, on both sides of the arguement wants to minimize abortions - that's a given. Brian, you promised you would stop this freaking trolling. By the way, WTF are you bozos up in Canada doing about murdering babies? Wholesale slaughter there too?
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Let me put a twist on the conversation, if a rape victim is given a "morning after" pill, would this be considered an abortion, even if it was not even a diagnosed pregnacy?
I would suspect that most who consider outlawing abortion one day after conception would most likely be men or deeply religious. I'd understand it, but disagree with it.
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I would like to ask a serious question.
Why do Christians oppose abortion so much?
There is no prohibition against it in the Bible. a serious question? Hardly. You knew the answer before you posted something this butt azzed stupid.
Sam......
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Thank "God," Mary of Nazareth didn't have a "choice."
Dan I never heard that she was raped by Joseph? Please confirm!
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Afraid of tough questions....so you just call names and throw darts. You will never change...never grow. I feel sorry for you...and anyone who must associate with you.
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Let the people who are victims of rape or incest decide, not the Govt. or the thumpers. This along with anyone else, it's their choice, good, bad or evil.
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I'm a pro-choice Republican. I really don't care if people abort their fetus regardless of rape or incest. It generally isn't my conservative brethren running out and aborting children, at least I wouldn't think so. In my twisted view, more people should get 'em; the Dems love 'em so let 'em get 'em. An abortion may possibly be one less child we taxpayers have to raise collectively (on welfare). Those are my views, please don't tear me a new ass. Wook
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