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I'm willing to spend an eternity in hell for a child.

I also realize that it is a 'broad' stroke of the brush, but much of the paint falls within the lines, unfortunately. I've seen more wrong done in the name of God than by anything else.

Children shouldn't have to wonder if abortions is right or wrong, I'll be damned if I'm going to damn them for a decision.

That's a bold statement, bro!



Well, like I said... outside of a few like Kat, myself, and one or two others here on the 'Fire, you've led a sheltered life. The wrong done in the name of God don't hold a candle to the wrong done out of pure human meanness.



Fortunately, that's not your responsibility!

Nobody's damning that kid, or any kid, or any adult for that matter, for a decision made in a time of crisis that may or may not have been wrong. Only God knows the heart, and only God has the power to commit a soul to damnation.

I believe, based on a harder-than-usual middle-aged life of experience, that God's love and mercy far exceeds anyone's expectations, and transcend the horrors any of us have to endure on this earth.

I'm beat, Scott, and I gotta go to bed. You have to finish off that bottle of amber liquid and pack up all them bullets... (you DID say you were sending them to me for safekeeping, remember? I'll store them in my wine cellar, next to all those nice bottles of champagne the Remy brothers ruined by fermenting it...)... and I've had two brutal days in the ER.

October used to be my favorite month when I got to spend most of it outdoors with a dog or two and a nice comfortable side-by-side, but lately it's become my least favorite... the chit that crawls out of the woodwork leading up to Halloween just seems to get worse every year.

Let's get some sleep and talk about this some more in Wyoming next fall.

I know they don't speak for God, but one only needs slam his penis in a door 500 times before he says ENOUGH!


God can kiss my ass when it comes to children, but I ain't worried because I don't believe he would 'hold' anything against a child, that's what the majority of 'Christians' I have met would do.

Doc, awesome posts. You have very clearly and eloquently said it for me, at least. Thank you.

Penny

Ok, I haven't time to read all the posts. But of course I do have 2 cents to add.

First, I believe in God but, practice no particular religion. I also believe there is no hell.

Now, with that said and the subject at hand.

Absolutely no one has the right to cast the first stone at any female for abortion when the child is conceived out of rape, incest, or any other molicious act.

If there is a follower before us, that is COMPLETELY free of sin, then speak up now, for YOU must be GOD himeself.

If you are not, then please put down the stones. Shame on all of those who judge and call any female A Murderer for abortion when the child is conceived out of any molicious act. It is no ones decision but her's and her reason need not be brought to hand for debate. She and she alone will have to live wih her decision and answer to God when her time comes. But don't worry, she won't go to hell. God loves all of his children, good, evil, black, white, rich, or poor, healthy or ill.
If god feels she has done wrong and punishment is necessary, he will condem her while on earth, not in heaven or in hell for those that believe there is a hell. For when it is our time, each and every person will cast their own judgement upon themselves and beg God for his forgiveness....and each and everyone of us WILL RECEIVE IT because you will have paid for your sin while one earth.

The above mentioned is my belief and my belife alone. No one is expected to agree or disagree.

IT'S MINE, AND IT'S MY DECISION!!! Just as is yours.

Well-stated....And, you are certainly alone in your beliefs.

Wow, you spoke to every human on the face of the planet that fast? IMPRESSIVE.

I clearly stated they weren't your beliefs or any one elses. Don't expect you to agree, especially if you practice a particular religion, the beliefs were set for you and you agreed to conform....and that's YOUR decision.

However, I could be alone, of course, I don't follow any particular religion,as I stated, just my belief in God.

Maybe I just see God in a different light.

and no doubt, God sees YOU in a different light as well.

I find it amazing most abortion apologists attempt to justify life begins at a time other than conception. The very word "conception" defines a beginning. To use terms such as viability, or any other presumed modifier is equally illogical. No life is viable on it's own. Remove simple requirements such as food, water, oxygen or proper fuction of any number of organs such as heart, liver or lungs, and life ceases. People are free to be as wrong as they wish, but irregardless, life obviously begins at conception and since we are discussing the life of a human, human life begins at conception.

The absurdity of the contention of when human life begins would never take place without the polarizing issue of abortion. The pro-choice side attempts to use it to justify the destruction of human life in it's most defenseless state. The pro-life side uses it to point out the reality of the act, and such stark reality is seldom appreciated and often serves only to steel the opposition in their position, irrational though it is.

All that said, abortion is here to stay. Just like pornography, homosexuality, alcohol and drug abuse, and any other destructive practice. That abortion does destroy at least one life cannot be argued rationally and it typically cuts a far wider path of destruction.

For those who chose abortion for any reason, a huge amount of love, not condemnation, is the only thing to lessen the impending impact of that often ill-conceived decision. They will need it, along with the understanding that the Grace of God can and does cover all errors we may fall to in this life.

What? Did you ask God? How do you know this? Did you get a memo? a telelgram, or did he email you?

It appears your response may be based on your beliefs.Is it not? If so, enoguh said. I already addressed that. It would be imoral for me to try and persuade you to believe as I do.

Thank you and the other gentlemen for proving my point and steelhead's. "protect me from your followers". I appreciate it.

I do think you both should put the stone down though, God see's it in your hand. Shame shame.

The textbook definition of "life" is "cells that reproduce and grow." Guess what happens immediately after conception....

Religion has nothing to do with the moral issue of infanticide and the Catholic church does not have a monopoly on the matter. Just drop the religion card. It is irrelevant.

Carry on.

nope, my response was just a shot in the dark. Your silliness and self righteousness was just too blatant to ignore. May God also protect us from women on gun boards.

hey now

The most nauseating thread I have ever read on an internet forum. Period.

I understand we have some diehard atheists and Christians on this board. I really do. But in all honesty can any of you think of a more asinine waste of time than for a bunch of conservative MEN to be contemplating the morality of the decision of a WOMAN who was raped to stop the pregnancy?

You remember the old saying 'change the things I can and accept the things I can't'? Remember the part at the end about the wisdom to tell the difference?

Good God the trolling that goes on around here!

Will

and you Will, have NEVER contributed to that?

Never! :p

But at least we could put the hammers and tongs away until we get a subject that we could actually make a difference in. There is no way, NO WAY, that women will ever peaceably allow men to impose their will on them in this instance. No amount of moralizing and theorizing will make one iota of difference. On top of which a pretty damned big chunk of men like myself would abandon their opposition to abortion when the woman has had the CHOICE of whether to have sex in a manner that could result in pregnancy taken out of her hands.

So this thread is a non-starter. Unless someone just wants to fight on the internet. Maybe they're bored?

Will

Not all Christians damn someone for having an abortion. We don't like it but it's hate the sin not the sinner. We are there for women who VERY often suffer mentally post abortion. My own town has a Pregnancy Resource Center(largely sponsored by the local Baptist Association) where pregnant women can get help with supplies/medical as well as Christian Counseling. It's voluntary and free so yes we can Christian Counsel. One of the biggest things they do is let the expectant mother see the baby on an ultra sound and the vast majority don't get abortions.

The director is a lady who had an abortion, went into a major spiral mentally and finally thru God was able to forgive herself and move on with her life. She then chose to get into a position to help other women not go through the same thing she did and offer alternative solutions.

Mike

The issue does affect men!

The baby being aborted may have been the person who would have cured cancer, President, home run champion, Mother Theresa,Billy Graham, Dale Earnhardt...who knows they aren't given a chance!

Mike

Actually, I think you pulled it right out of your NARROW MINDED ARSE!!!!!!!

Self righteous? I think not. My belief isn't right, nor is wrong. Your's is not right, nor is it wrong.

SO GET OVER IT!!!

Dear God, Protect me from your shallow minded followers.

Whatever happened to the old saying - "Keep Government out of the bedroom!" The Republicans used it regualrly in the 1950's and '60's as a way to keep government at bay.

This is a decision between a woman, her conscience and her doctor.