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I say put the Judge in the chair next to him! It is my understanding that the Parole Agent tried to get the Judge to put him back in jail due to a parole violation and the Judge refused. Bad decision on his part and he will have to live with this forever. No, better yet go ahead and fry this Smith guy and put the Judge in solitaire confinement for the rest of his life NO PAROLE! Down to the Dungeon, one meal a day of boiled cabbage soup with pictures of Carlie's dead limp body hanging all over the walls!

BMT - my assumption is that you are a brother in Christ; if so, you are interpreting and quoting scripture out of context. When Jesus distilled "His" commandments to loving the Lord God and loving your neighbor, he mean the following: if we love God and our neighbor, we will not murder, bear false witness, create idols for ourselves etc. How do we show God love? We obey him and his commands/precepts. Capital pumishment is not replaced by turning the other cheek. Jesus fulfilled Old Testament law...he did not abolish, alter, or skew the 10 commandments. Remember, when Jesus returns (after the rapture), he will judge and condemn and destroy.

The 10 Commandments were in fact given to us as rules...they are commandments, not suggestions or requests. It is God's Law....law meant for man. Jesus healing on the Sabath was God's will. The religious elite became so legalistic regarding "no work" on the Sabbath that the refused to even do God's work...which was the whole point of Jesus healing healing on the Sabbath. Jesus is our example and we are to follow that example. These laws, rules were not given to save us but to show how we can not possibly live up to God's Holy standard. The law convicts us and condemns us. Christ saves us. There are consequences to our actions. Accept Christ, you go to heaven. Reject Christ and you go to hell. Commit murder and by God's decree you shall be put to death. God will certainly forgive the action (if forgiveness is sought by the offender) but He will not and can not "undo " that action. In the Lord's prayer, we are to forgive others who have wronged us at all levels, emotionally and physically. IN this instance, we sin if we do not forgive the murderer for his action. Forgiveness has nothing to do with capital punishment. This example of earthly justice is not man's decision...it is God's decision.

BMT, I sure do not want to offend you. But, you are so far off on your Bible. I'm just guessing, but are you in your mid 50s and still like flowers and San Francisco?



I hope they smash Joe P Smiths balls with a couple of bricks before they put him down for good.

This kind of crime is all to common. The victimization of children I mean. Most of the time the child is killed by a family member, or like a live in Mommas jocker. Man I can tell you some storys that would chill your blood.

This mangey mongrel should have never been on the street, hes been beating the system all his life. And now an innocent child has to pay. Somehow this country has it in all their little heads that giving all these rights to criminals "somehow" protects "their" rights. Its all a big flim-flam you know, perpetrated by all these lawyers. I think most citizens just dont know what a joke the system really is.

The parents and family of this little girl know . We ought to slow cook everyone of these sumbitches.......10

Dixie Freedom:

I am reminded of a sermon. The priest was discussing how none of us know the true effect of our actions here on earth. The example was St. Paul who once thought it was his duty to convert the Israelites to Christianity. . . . . ..


. . . . .. . But they would not listen.

The Gentiles did listen, so Paul decided that converting the Gentiles was his mission. He then set out and set up churches throughout the known world.

Paul decided that establishing these churches must be his earthly mission. Along the way, he wrote letters of support and advice to the men he lieft behind. Often he answered questions that were put to him.

About 300-400 years later, biblical scholars looking back realized that it was not Paul who did most of the work estbalishing these churches in various regions. Timothy and dozens of others did the work. Paul usually did not stay around very long. He set out to establish another church.

However, these scholars then realized, that all of the Letters Paul wrote, had become a very large part of the New Testament. Paul's mission was to write the Bible, and he did not know it!

So . . . . . . .yes, I beleive that these are Divine Words.

. . .. . . . .But, I look to what Christ said, "Love your Brother as yourself." And apply this statement to the numerous lessons He gave us about Loving those who are hard to love (I recall in particular a statement to the effect that it is easy to love your child, but Jesus called on us to love the tax collector.)

That is why I do not put much stock in Bible Passage XX says capital punishment is OK. I simply feel that the greater context of the Bible as a whole leads us to a different conclusion.

Just my 2 cents . . . . .

BMT

SU35:

No offense taken. I am a tax lawyer in Cowboy Boots. Most consider me too damn conservative for my own good. Then they wonder why I bolt from the "republican" position on Capital Punishment.

Answer: I got confused after a few years of practicing law and seeing the agressive tactics that District Attorneys use to "put them away." A friend of mine quit his job in disgust because the desire to convict was stronger than the desire to be certain that the got the right person in handcuffs.

That caused me to REALLY examine my conscience about the death penalty. The more I prayed, the more I realized that the Gospels seek more than technical compliance.

Just this weekend, another death row inmate was set free after being in jail for 20 years. Once again, DNA evidence proved he DID NOT DO IT. Nothing bothers me more than facing my maker and finding out I stood by while innocent people were put to death.

Nothing in the Gospels suggests to me that dangerous persons should be let go to do it again. Loving my brother as myself also requires that I protect my brothers that may be victimized by this jerk.

The majority here and I agree on one point, he should not have been let out! Would not happen if I were the Judge. I would not want the blood of others on my hands. I'd keep that guy locked up a LONG time.

Just My 2 Cents . . . . . .

Your mileage may vary . .. .

BMT

BMT, fair enough, I live just north of you in Vancouver
Maybe someday well sit down, break bread, and discuss this and shooting some day. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

SU35:

Works for me . . .

BMT

BMT;
You have an interesting position, and from your background it gives more credibility to your tenacity. If I had seen those things I might feel the same way. I have never been in a court room except for speeding way back when I had just gotten out of the Navy.

It has been a long time since I studied it, but I am almost certain I am correct; the Quakers staked their theological position in the exact same corner you have come from, the justice system is flawed...

I will never deny that this position has more than a little merit.

Someday; because of my political positions, (I believe in the Constitution) and my religious positions, ( I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ) and my sexual orientation, (I like girl(s) ) AND because I have a big mouth and a hot temper I will probably end up in jail for some dumb thing. AND the Rosie Odonnel's and Katie Couric's and Barb Boxer's and Hilary Clinton's will probably clamor for my untimely execution. AND in that event I will probably be praying for a Quaker judge and jury!

Justice tempered by mercy. I think America has done better than others in this. Still, I would really like to wield the ball peen in this case in Florida. It would be an honor...

I think the cure for some sick societies is an honest dose of Vikings running amok; it tends to keep folks prayin and honest with God and their conscience.

Hey, is that a racial slur condemning Vikings? (Just kidding!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

I agree that the ACLU tends to protect the evildoers too much . . . .

As with Mathias and SU35, there is not reason why good men cannot disagree on difficult issues and remain 24hrcf buddies.

If you are ever in Oregon, let me know. I will show you where the best Salmon and Strong beer is to be found. . . . .

Good Shooting,

BMT

BMT - let me know if I can weasel in on that offer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

FYI - I'm joining TCGC this wednesday evening. I hope to meet some of you folks on the firing line in the coming months.

Sure, come on down . . . BMT

I think some are very confused about the Sermon on the Mount.
Jesus was not a "tippytoe through the tulips" kind of fellow. The Gospel of Matthew alone demonstrates clearly that he was extremely angry and even vengeful in his thinking when it came to the behavior of men.
Jesus said that men should live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. The Old Testament definitely allowed for the death sentence. Reference the fact that Jesus is the same today, yesterday, and forever. Jesus said that He did not come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfill and that not one jot or one tittle would pass from the law until all was fulfilled.
He said that a man calling another a fool was in danger of hell fire. He said that He did not come to bring peace on earth but a sword. In Matthew 10, 11, and 12, He condemned entire cities to hell for unrepentant behavior, the kind of behavior this murderer was involved in.
In Matthew 13, he said that it was better that parts of our bodies be amputated than to allow those members to cause us to sin and go into hell. In Matthew 21 in the parable of the vineyard He makes it quite plain that the owner of the vineyard would not only kill the evil murderers and thieves, but one should expect that of the owner of the vineyard. He implies the same in the parable of the wedding in the next chapter concerning murder and retribution.
In Matthew 23, He "woes" the lawyers basically to hell for their behavior. In Matthew 25, He cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness and then starting in verse 31, He condemns the apathetic to everlasting punishment.
That is just a sampling from one book. In Revelations, it gets very bloody. Jesus said that we are to seek faith, justice, and mercy. Note the word justice. Note that Jesus at the Last Supper did not pray for Judas but for the other apostles and the believers of the future.
When Jesus said to love your enemies, bless them, do good to them, and pray for them, do you really believe that we are supposed to pray for Osama and Hussein tonight, bless them, send a care package to Hussein, etc.? Jesus told us how to deal with unrepentant people not only in the anathema discourse but in other discourses and parables.

Right, but I believe he said not to call anyone a worthless fool.

That has to be one of the scariest scriptures to me in the Bible. How many have not said a whole lot worse to others to their face many times, behind their backs many times, and in their minds thousands of times.
Judges 19 and 20 tells the story of molesters and revenge.

I was thinking about this when I heard the news. As an LEO, I would have liked nothing more than for him to make a furtive movement so me and mine could have ventilated him a few dozen times.

I also know what happens to his type in the "Bighouse". Most of the inmates dont take too kindly to crimes against children. Weird eh! There is a particular ethnic group that would be more than willing to give him his just rewards when they find out what the bastard has done.

Anyway, every breath this SOB takes is an injustice.


Mac

HOLD FAST!

I think they should bring back public hangings for child molesters and murderers. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />



Mrsfisher

It's simple enough: Handcuff this SOB, add chains around ankles and TURN HIM OVER TO THE GIRL'S FAMILY!
If there is anything left of his sorry hide after a couple months, then let the State fry it....

Might even be helpful to tape record some of his cries-- and then replay them to every con convicted of assault as they are being paroled.