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As to 300 doing so much more damage on deer, I'll pass thank you. Rather not create what I consider 'excessive damage' meat or otherwise. Dead is dead in my book. So your syaing a magnum does indeed cause more damage, no? BTW If losing a meat is a huge issue, dont shoot them where there is meat. And beofre ST chimes in Deer ribs aint meat. 
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Taking out at least one shoulder is never a bad thing.
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I've seen stuff more messed up from a 200gr Hornady fired from a 35 Remington at 1700fps than a 100gr TSX doing 3600fps. But they are apples and oranges also and both died just fine.
Cartridge selection for your average shooting distances is pretty much moot these days, it's all about the bullet and especially putting it where it belongs.
These are the good old days. These are the good old days. Here's hoping they don't end in January.
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Taking out at least one shoulder is never a bad thing. Breakin a little bone never bothered me. Of course I dont fret over a little lost meat either.
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I shot a deer this last week with a 300 ultra and one of the other guys hunting with me got one with a 308. There was no comparison in the amount of tissue damage done, nor in the quickness of the kill. Hands done the ultra destroyed more tissue and knocked the deer down immediately vs. a 50 yard run for the 308. Shoot placement was similar BTW.
An example of one....BUT in my experiences magnums chew up more tissue. I dont think anyone can even argue this. Since tissue damage is what kills animals it would seem the more damage inflicted, the faster the animal would die. The only non-CNS 'bang-flop' I've ever had or seen on a moose (including moose shot with 300 UMs) was the first moose I took with a 308 Win. Like you say, 'a sample of one'. I didn't walk away from that experience touting the 308 as a better killer than a 300 mag (which is all I had used prior) but in the time since, it sure hasn't shown itself to be appreciably worse at killing things, either.
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A heavier bullet at a lower muzzle velocity can give you the same or even greater impact energy than a lighter and initially faster bullet out where it hits the hair � and at a lower impact velocity, it'll ruin less eatin' meat.
Demonstrable principle, not arm-chair theory. I'm just one of the nasty guys who've shown this to be so, to the wonderment of those who worship muzzle velocity.
"Good enough" isn't.
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BWalker, good point, but I'll personally go to a 338/06 or other mid bore and skip 30 cals if my 6.5/7mms are not up to the task. I think a 338/06 gives solid killing power without as much meat loss, moderate speeds with larger/heavier bullets gets my nod as they are flat and hit hard enough to the ranges I'd be comfortable, around 400 yds.
Gee, I swear as I typed this I had not read Ken's message above, but we are on the same page no doubt. It's all personal preference.
300s have and will be doing their share of killing for a long time. I just prefer to do it another way.
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everything I've shot with a 308 150 grain partition was DRT.
Didn't think I needed a 300 after the shot.
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