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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JayH:<BR><B>I am sorry Need One if the truth hurts ya but I am a beleaver in calling an Ace and Ace and a Spade a Spade.<P>You need not worry about me getting flustered Mr Clean. Takes a better man than you to do that..... LOL<P>You have a great day Bud <P></B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>

An interesting thread. What happened, happened, and we will never know what the whole story is, but the people who were there know what really came down. The dynamics of these situations have happened before and will happen 30 years after the next war that will most assuredly happen. It is not uncommon for men who have lived with demons to try to come clean in the twilight years of life. Kerry is the only one of the bunch with a public personna and public ego that needs to be maintained. These guys are past middle age at this point. Just look at Kerry. He's an old man despite his relatively modest years. <P>The fact that one member of a close knit team finally spills his guts about an atrocity and the rest of the group holds to an alibi concocted years ago to keep them all from being accused of a war crime, (committed for what ever reason is irrelevant) doesn't necessarily discredit the confessor, especially when his story is confirmed by several third parties. <P>It is obvious in retrospect that Senator Kerry has been struggling with his past for some time and trying desperatly to manage the situation behind the public spotlight. And he has been concerned, maybe quite rightly, that possibly there were some things there that wouldn't look too gentlemanly or heroic under the bright light of truth. Maybe that's why he didn't run for president. Maybe that's why he backed off on a couple of key ethical issues under the Clinton Administration after coming strong out of the box. Maybe that's why he didn't run for senator again. <P>Something stinks here, and it wouldn't be right to shoot the messenger until the message is either confirmed or discredited. <P>Mr. JayH might have an irritating bedside manner, but his logic is clear. Our government just convicted a member of the KKK for killing some young girls in a church bombing back in the '60s. Was that the wrong thing to do? Aedes <BR>

With a handle like yours Fly, that you took<BR>off some TV show because you thought it was was cool like so many pimply arsed punks that don't know their rectum from a hole in the<BR>ground. I damn shure am not giving you any of my personal information.<P><BR>Need one, darn shure didn't impress me one bit with that white glove BS.<BR>I see him as just some REMF probly washing planes or whatever. His biggest<BR>danger in the "Air Force" was that he might get demoted for not shinning <BR>his brass buckle. Maybe he served his country, if he did, good for him.<P>Have a Great Day Fly.<P>Bill, I guess a wise man would only beleave what he sees or personally knows. I recon if one took that stance we would have to throw out all the books, magazines and newspapers as they would hold no real value according to you.<P>I get a kick out of people like you that bring up the troll word just because<BR>they can't take the heat. I voice my opinion and have a right to do so. If you have a problem with that I am sure as a big boy you will get over it. I know the lessions in life can be harsh but most survive.<P>I do add something everytime I post my friend. Though you may not like what I post, nor my ideas, simply because I do not run with the herd. I am quite capable of seeing what the herd dose not. <P>Bill.. you have a Good one too.<P>MtGoat... Qoute "I can't beleive that someone that beleives in any kind of <BR>real principals and the "Right to bear arms" would ever beleive anything "60 Minutes" reports on."<P>Your real sharp there bud, as if believing in right to bear arms qualifies one as a super intellectual. A lot of gun owners are dummer than rocks in case you didn't know. Think before you write so you don't make us all look bad.<P>You have a Great day also.<P>Stinky... You just keep watching those movies...LOL<P>Bullwnkl my friend. I thought you died after that last thrashing I gave you.<BR>Now I see your back like a bad penny spouting your low life BS. You best go back to your Moma before I give you another thrashing Boy.<P>You have a Great Day Bullwnkl.<P>Aedes... Great post. It is refreshing to see someone here is capable of thinking. <P>You have a Super Great Day.<BR><p>[This message has been edited by JayH (edited May 04, 2001).]

Flash Headline:<P>Trolls Live!!!!<P>subheadline:<P>Typical New York Troll found on 24hourcampfire board. Puffed up, full of himself, and has not been there and done that.<P>Further study or replies unnecessary.

CAT, -- we have a bored young drop out looking for something to entertain himself. "Silence is the only real substitute for brains"! Ignore and he will find a sandpile somewhere else. -- no

Need One, You big fibber, you said you wern't going to <BR>post to the troll again. Read your above post Mr Clean.<P>Again you have been caught in a Lie...LOL<P>Hey, Fly Crap. You be one bright Mother*****. You watch out, that Troll just might slap your silly arse on these boards and make you out to be a fool.<P>Now why don't we all just Kiss and Make Up. You can put on your best and brightest Lip stick if you wish...LOL<P><BR>You All Have a Great day <p>[This message has been edited by JayH (edited May 04, 2001).]

JayH <BR>I can no longer stand it, I was involved in the S.E. Asia fiasco in 1964-1965 and even<BR>early on in those days we lost the <B>thin veneer of civilization</B> very rapidly! When you are afraid everything is trying to hurt, maim or kill you your whole perspective on life as you know it changes rapidly. The �enemy� right or wrong was every where, even little kids too young to know what they were doing. It did not take long to realize that the only goal to keep in mind was to keep you and your troops alive to return to the world. <B>ANY WAY YOU COULD</B> I don�t know if Kerry did bad or not, and don�t care as long as his motive was to save his team and himself and after 32 years it is a moot point anyway. Yes it is wrong to kill innocents but under the rules of engagement in place over there a free fire zone was considered to be occupied by all enemy. The purpose of war is to beat your enemy into submission or vanquish him entirely by killing as many as you can.<BR>That is a real <B>UGLY</B> fact but none the less a fact. And war is the ultimate in ugly<BR>and a thing no reasonable person wants, but most reasonable people will fight if pushed<BR>hard enough. As for slamming other posters on this board, a real good rule of thumb is:<BR><B>Walk a mile in their shoes before you make wild judgements or statements!</B><BR>By the way I never wrote my instructors, but I by damn thanked them frequently in my<BR>mind when TSHTF over there. Not to mention a fine bunch of dedicated troops I was<BR>privileged to serve with. Some of whom did not make it back to the <B>WORLD</B>. OK<BR>off the soap box, have a good day!<P>------------------<BR><B>T LEE</B><BR>Remember: There is no such thing as OVERKILL. Just a generous margin of SAFETY! <P><B>APATHY!.........Freedoms greatest enemy!</B>

JayH, you say that you add something everytime you post. The only thing you have done the past couple of times is insulted everybody on the board with your childish manners. Hasn't your mother ever told you, "If you don't have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all." All you are doing is making an *$$ of yourself by insulting everybody. That is not the way to defend your views. And if you start insulting me for saying this, then you have only proved my point.<BR> <BR>Have a great day, and please add wisdom, not insults, when you post.

Big Hunter, I call them as I see them. You seem to neglect the fact that I have been taking quite a bit of flack here. One good turn deserves another in my book. So please forgive me as it is not in my nature<BR>to take crap from anyone without dishing a little back. <P>You have a great day Dude.

Time to cool this. Now. Please do so.<P>Rick

You know BH, My mom never told me "If you don't have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all."<P>Did yours? If so, you sure didn't listen.<P>Kinda like the pot calling the kettel black.<P>Would you happen to be related to Jessie Jackson by chance?<P>You have a great day my friend.

Hey Rick Baby, I am on a roll here. You tame these halfwits so I don't have to keep hammering them..... LOL <P>Have a good one dude!

For all of you who are biting your tongue, thank you. <P>This will stop, I promise.<P>Rick Bin

Rick's right folks. Let us not feed the Trolls. That way they look for greener pastures to feed on.<P><B>HEY! JayH, TRY <A HREF="http://www.hardcoretalk.com" TARGET=_blank>www.hardcoretalk.com</A> you can even "cuss like a trooper" over there.</B> This might be even more your speed! <A HREF="http://flame4cash.com/cgi/Ultimate.cgi" TARGET=_blank>http://flame4cash.com/cgi/Ultimate.cgi</A><P>Cheers<BR>T LEE<P>Rick,<BR>And that will be the last I say on this, or to this "person" , really. I like it here too much to do any more encouraging to this "person".<P>------------------<BR><B>T LEE</B><BR>Remember: There is no such thing as OVERKILL. Just a generous margin of SAFETY! <P><B>APATHY!.........Freedoms greatest enemy!</B><p>[This message has been edited by T LEE (edited May 04, 2001).]

GayH,.....Im sorry,...I mean JayH,whats so funny about watching a movie?I least I went with a GIRL to see it.

I have stayed out of this one, because I knew me and Jay would do some serious forum fighting and wanted to save ya the headaches Rick! I dont understand for the life of me how he could see things the way he does, but all I can say about it is I have many friends that were over there, and I dont care what they did, they were there serving our country, and it wasnt a walk in the park. They shoulda made the guy a General!!!! bcat.......PS I wont reply if he hammers me Rick!!! <P>------------------<BR>If you aint the lead dog the scenery never changes [img]http://www.hunttalk.com/icon/bcatrunningcat.gif.com/boykin][/img] <BR><A HREF="http://www.huntandlodge.com/Boykin/outfitter.html" TARGET=_blank>Boykin's Hunting <B>Homepage</B> </A>

Well Rick, nothing good can really come of this now. Would anybody object to Rick closing this thread?

Bob Kerry WAS a warrior when it wasn't cool.<BR>Now because of his wallet he is a socialist...I respect what he did,for the reasons he did them.<BR>Heat of the moment in a world without rules(What are they gonna do sentance me to a combat zone?)means folks do things animalistic.So what.The reason we have what we have,is because of folks that bled and died,and did unpleasant things.<BR>This thread is lacking the respect that MR.Kerrys honor deserves.<BR>If the memory of searing hot blood on your hands does not disturb your sleep,you have not walked in his shoes.I don't care about his position now,he did what he did and I respect him for doing it.<BR>All the flaming takes away from those who have given in our name.<BR>Rick,I second the move to let this go away.<BR>E4E

bcat, We can agree to disagree. I have voiced my thoughts on this subject and the reasons I think Kerrey is not so honorable.<P>You need not worry about getting hammered. <BR>Thats reserved for the Special Ed class.

One other SMALL thing........<BR>Sacrifices are individual things and cannot be measured by those other than the individual that gave them.<BR>JayH...you started a fire on the wrong board.<BR>MOS makes no difference.The poor slob that fueled Enola Gay....never got a Purple Heart or a medal,but saved my Gramps life and gave me my way of life,same as the pilot and bombadier.<BR>The 40 year old homely woman that put the rivets in Enola Gay...she's just as precious as the pilot and crew chief to folks that have a brain as well.<BR>Individuals SUCK!<BR>Heroes are made by teams of folks that sacrifice for the greater good.<BR>MOS does NOT matter,except to glory seekers with INDIVIDUAL goals.<BR>Hitler taught us about individuals,and the sheep that worship them.<BR>Go to Rosie O's site and debate and see what you get,lotsa sheep there!<BR>E4E<P><BR>