Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire The Passion of the Christ

Thanx for the show of Christian charity.

Didn't know asking a question made someone a heathen though.

If It Flies It Dies, Since you read the Bible, you know that NO born again Christian can keep living without talking about Jesus and His Word. In fact Jesus commanded it.

What matters is what is between you and Jesus. You have to accept that he was crucified to pay for your sins, then profess that you have done so in public.

Churches and denominations like to argue about the rest. You will want to read the bible and get God's word. As we have seen by some of those posting right here there are some people who attend church that are not Christians. It is possible to be a Catholic / Protestant / Baptist / etc. without being a Christian. That won't get you right with the Lord.

I don�t think it matters which church you belong to. God's Church is made of all believers in Christ. Just find one that preaches / teaches Gods word and one where you can grow in spirit, serve the Lord, and enjoy fellowship with other believers.

Well, I got around to watching the movie tonight, and I must say that it was the most powerful and moving film that I have ever seen in my life. No words can really describe it at all; the whole theatre cried I think, even me! I'm literally stunned. I have so much to be thankful for.

Saw it today and can only say,Wow!!! It was a most moving and intense experience. Mel done good...

Just got home from the theater. Flick lived up to all it's billing. The story is told by combining parts of all four gospels. Very intense. Worth the price of admission, but I wouldn't take a young child to see it.

I haven't seen the movie, but do plan on it when in my area. The following story was recieved in an email, along time back, so it's taken awhile to find. I have not researched the validity of it, but find it very inspirational at minimum. Perhaps, this was part of Mel's inspiration to produce the movie, in spite of the nay sayers.This story was just cut and pasted in the manner it was recieved.



> Here is a true story by Paul Harvey. Pass it to anyone who you think
> > > would
> > > > >find it interesting and inspiring. You will be surprised who this
> young
> > > man
> > > > >turned out to be. (Do not look at the bottom if this letter until
you
> > > have
> > > > >read it fully.)
> > > > >
> > > > >Years ago a hardworking man took his family from New York State to
> > > >Australia
> > > > >to take advantage of a work opportunity there. Part of this man's
> > family
> > > >was
> > > > >a handsome young son who had aspirations of joining the circus as a
> > > trapeze
> > > > >artist or an actor. This young fellow, biding his time until a
circus
> > job
> > > >or
> > > > >even one as a stagehand came along, worked at the local shipyards
> which
> > > > >bordered on the worse section of town.
> > > > >
> > > > >Walking home from work one evening this young man was attacked by
> five
> > > >thugs
> > > > >who wanted to rob him. Instead of just giving up his money the
young
> > > fellow
> > > > >resisted. However they bested him easily and proceeded to beat him
to
> a
> > > > >pulp. They mashed his face with their boots, and kicked and beat
his
> > body
> > > > >brutally with clubs, leaving him for dead.
> > > > >
> > > > >When the police happened to find him lying in the road they assumed
> he
> > > was
> > > > >dead and called for the Morgue Wagon. On the way to the morgue a
> > > policeman
> > > > >heard him gasp for air, and they immediately took him to the
> emergency
> > > unit
> > > > >at the hospital. When he was placed on a gurney a nurse remarked to
> her
> > > > >horror, that his young man no longer had a face. Each eye socket
was
> > > > >smashed, his skull, legs, and arms fractured, his nose literally
> > hanging
> > > > >from his face, all is teeth were gone, and his jaw was almost
> > completely
> > > > >torn from his skull.
> > > > >
> > > > >Although his life was spared he spent over a year in the hospital.
> When
> > > he
> > > > >finally left his body may have healed, but his face was disgusting
to
> > > look
> > > > >at. He was no longer the handsome youth that everyone admired. When
> the
> > > > >young man started to look for work again he was turned down by
> everyone
> > > >just
> > > > >on account of the way he looked. One potential employer suggested
to
> > him
> > > > >that he join the freak show at the circus as" The Man Who Had No
> Face".
> > > And
> > > > >he did this for a while. He was still rejected by everyone and no
one
> > > >wanted
> > > > >to be seen in his company. He had thoughts of suicide. This went on
> for
> > > >five
> > > > >years.
> > > > >
> > > > >One day he passed a church and sought some solace there. Entering
the
> > > >church
> > > > >he encountered a priest who had seen him sobbing while kneeling in
a
> > pew.
> > > > >The priest took pity on him and took him to the rectory where they
> > talked
> > > >at
> > > > >length. The priest was impressed with him to such a degree that he
> said
> > > >that
> > > > >he would do everything possible for him that could be done to
restore
> > his
> > > > >dignity and life, if the young man would promise to be the best
> > Christian
> > > >he
> > > > >could be, and trust in God's mercy to free him from his torturous
> life.
> > > > >
> > > > >The young man went to Mass and communion every day, and after
> thanking
> > > God
> > > > >for saving his life, asked God to only give him peace of mind and
the
> > > grace
> > > > >to be the best man he could ever be in His eyes.
> > > > >
> > > > >The priest, through his personal contacts was able to secure the
> > services
> > > >of
> > > > >the best plastic surgeon in Australia. There would be no cost to
the
> > > young
> > > > >man, as the doctor was the priest's best friend. The doctor too was
> so
> > > > >impressed by the young man, whose outlook now on life, even though
he
> > had
> > > > >experienced the worse was filled with good humor and love.
> > > > >
> > > > >The surgery was a miraculous success. All the best dental work was
> also
> > > >done
> > > > >for him. The young man became everything he promised God he would
be.
> > He
> > > >was
> > > > >also blessed with a wonderful, beautiful wife, and many children,
and
> > > > >success in an industry which would have been the furthest thing
from
> > his
> > > > >mind as a career if not for the goodness of God and the love of the
> > > people
> > > > >who cared for him. This he acknowledges publicly.
> > > > >
> > > > >The young man was and is Mel Gibson.
> > > > >
> > > > >His life was the inspiration for his production of the movie "The
Man
> > > > >Without A Face." He is to be admired by all of us as a God fearing
> man,
> > a
> > > > >political conservative, and an example to all as a true man of
> courage.
> > > And
> > > > >to think I admired him before I knew any of this! He is quite a
man!
> > > > >
> > > > >Paul Harvey
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > > =
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Your story about Mel Gibson is absolute undulterated bull manure. Or, to put it politely, there ain't a word of truth in it. Well, to be accurate, except for the part about the family moving from the US to Australia.



I think people should check on such things before propogating them. www.snopes.com for one spot to check, if you don't know.

Thanks for the heads up on snopes.
I did state I hadn't checked it out, but still found it inspirational.
When I search snopes for absolute
unadulterated bull manure, Mel Gibson didn't come up or anything else for that matter. Bull manure produced no results either.

When I have the time, I will check the authenticity to your reffered site though. Cheer up, IIFID

The Glurge Without a Face





Claim: Mel Gibson was the inspiration for the film The Man Without a Face.



Status: False.



Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2000]





Here is a true story by Paul Harvey. Pass it to anyone who you think would find it interesting and inspiring. You will be surprised who this young man turned out to be. (Do not look at the bottom if this letter until you have read it fully.)





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Years ago a hardworking man took his family from New York State to Australia to take advantage of a work opportunity there. Part of this man's family was handsome young son who had aspirations of joining the circus as a trapeze artist or an actor. This young fellow, biding his time until a circus job or even one as a stagehand came along, worked at the local shipyards which bordered on the worst section of town. Walking home from work one evening this young man was attacked by five thugs who wanted to rob him. Instead of just giving up his money the young fellow resisted. However they bested him easily and proceeded to beat him to a pulp. They mashed his face with their boots, and kicked and beat his body brutally with clubs, leaving him for dead. When the police happened to find him lying in the road they assumed he was dead and called for the Morgue Wagon.



On the way to the morgue a policeman heard him gasp for air, and they immediately took him to the emergency unit at the hospital. When he was placed on a gurney a nurse remarked to her horror, that his young man no longer had a face. Each eye socket was smashed, his skull, legs, and arms fractured, his nose literally hanging from his face, all is teeth were gone, and his jaw was almost completely torn from his skull. Although his life was spared he spent over year in the hospital. When he finally left his body may have healed but his face was disgusting to look at. He was no longer the handsome youth that everyone admired.



When the young man started to look for work again he was turned down by everyone just on account of the way he looked. One potential employer suggested to him that he join the freak show at the circus as The Man Who Had No Face. And he did this for a while. He was still rejected by everyone and no one wanted to be seen in his company. He had thoughts of suicide. This went on for five years.



One day he passed a church and sought some solace there. Entering the church he encountered a priest who had saw him sobbing while kneeling in a pew. The priest took pity on him and took him to the rectory where they talked at length. The priest was impressed with him to such a degree that he said that he would do everything possible for him that could be done to restore his dignity and life, if the young man would promise to be the best Catholic he could be, and trust in God's mercy to free him from his torturous life. The young man went to Mass and communion every day, and after thanking God for saving his life, asked God to only give him peace of mind and the grace to be the best man he could ever be in His eyes.



The priest, through his personal contacts was able to secure the services of the best plastic surgeon in Australia. They would be no cost to the young man, as the doctor was the priest's best friend. The doctor too was so impressed by the young man, whose outlook now on life, even though he had experienced the worse was filled with good humor and love.



The surgery was a miraculous success. All the best dental work was also done for him. The young man became everything he promised God he would be. He was also blessed with a wonderful, beautiful wife, and many children, and success in an industry which would have been the furthest thing from his mind as a career if not for the goodness of God and the love of the people who cared for him. This he acknowledges publicly.



The young man . . .



Mel Gibson.



His life was the inspiration for his production of the movie "The Man Without A Face." He is to be admired by all of us as a God fearing man, a political conservative, and an example to all as a true man of courage.





Origins: This piece, which began circulating in the latter half of the year 2000,

is neither an accurate description of actor/director Mel Gibson's early life nor a transcription of a radio piece by commentator Paul Harvey. Suffice it to say that someone took the framework of Mel Gibson's biography and built upon it a touching but completely fictitious house of glurge.



Mel Gibson's father did move his family from New York to Sydney, Australia, when Mel was 12, but the similarities between this piece and Mel's real life end there. Young Mel wasn't dreaming of "joining the circus as a trapeze artist"; he was a Catholic high school student mulling over the possibilities of becoming a chef or a journalist and ended up enrolling in the University of New South Wales' National Institute of Dramatic Art. Young Mel had a role in the low-budget film Summer City while still a student and then appeared in a number of productions with the State Theatre Company of South Australia before the lucky break that catapulted him to stardom: being chosen for the lead role in George Miller's action film Mad Max.



A little bit of truth may have sneaked into the story quoted above at this point. The night before his Mad Max audition, Gibson reportedly came in a poor second in a barroom brawl, ending up with a face "like a busted grapefruit." He then had to audition for the Mad Max role with a bruised, swollen, discolored, and freshly stitched face � an appearance that, legend has it, helped win over producers who wanted someone weathered and rough-looking to take the part. The beating Gibson received did not, however, leave him with "smashed eye sockets," fracture his "skull, legs, and arms," result in the loss of "all his teeth" or a nose that was "hanging from his face" or a "jaw almost completely torn from his skull." He didn't spend "over a year in the hospital," nor did five years pass with Mel in agony before "plastic surgery restored his looks." His face got smashed up a bit, he required a few stitches to close some open cuts, and a few weeks later he was good as new. (However, some Hollywood pundits maintain that even the milder "barroom brawl" version was a bit of fiction invented by a publicist.)



Mel Gibson did direct and star in The Man Without a Face, a 1993 film about a man who became a recluse after his face was disfigured in an automobile accident, but the movie was based upon a novel by Isabelle Holland, not Mel Gibson's life.



Many of our readers have sworn to us they heard Paul Harvey recite this piece, exactly as reproduced above, on one of his broadcasts. Paul Harvey did offer a "Rest of the Story" segment about Mel Gibson on 24 June 2000, and it was a typically (for Paul Harvey) exaggerated version of the truth, but it didn't come close to the glurge reproduced here. What he reported, verbatim, was this:



In all his years as a cop, Ollie Gerrick had never seen a beating case like the one before him. The boy's face was smashed in. His partner say he wouldn't survive. The ambulance arrived and took him to the hospital and when he came to, the doctors told him the rest of the story. He was in the hospital and then he remembered that night in the bar. It was late the next night that the young man remembered he had an important appointment. He realized it was tomorrow. He struggled to get out of bed but the nurse restrained him. The next morning, he got out of bed and looked in the mirror and he didn't recognize himself. Nevertheless, he went on to the job interview. Despite the bar fight in October of 1977. He showed up for a role in a movie and the producers were looking for someone unknown who was really tough looking. He got the role they were casting for. They were looking for someone to play the rugged role of Mad Max and this Australian with the beaten up face went on to become one of our best modern-day actors. We know him as Mel Gibson, and now you know the rest of the story.

And now you know . . . the real story.



Update: The February 2004 release of the film The Passion of the Christ, financed and directed by Mel Gibson, started this legend circulating anew, often with tacked-on codas such as the following:



Note: This may well help in the understanding of why Mel Gibson's love for the Lord is why he has made such a powerful movie "The Passion" that's coming out February 25th to demonstrate Jesus love and sacrifice for us.

Last updated: 27 February 2004



The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/glurge/noface.htm

Click here to e-mail this page to a friend



Urban Legends Reference Pages � 1995-2004

by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson



More Gibson urban legends:



Snopes on Gibson

Well, your problem was you seached for the description not the product. If you had entered "Mel Gibson" it would have popped right up and you could have used it for your tomatoes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I find your comment about it being inspirational, albeit untrue, to apply to some other topics on this thread. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'm very cheerful and wish you the same. Even if you are in the frozen North. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Actually I did search Mr. Gibson first and did find the "story". I was only pointing out how contagious this propagation thing really is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



Even Aesop's fairy tales are meant to be inspirational. Seriously,before I was old enough to have formulated any opinions, in anyway, I had a real life experience, that could never persuade me to disbelieve in the "book".......ever.
A couple since have reinforced that belief. I've been a fairly poor practicer, but, I'm a damn good believer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Something else you may find hard to believe, is my wifey grows wheelbarrows full of tomatoes, in spite of our shorter growing season, and her not buying any of my bull either. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

>Paul Harvey's words:
>
>I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited
>to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had
also
>read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and
>owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long,
deeply
>held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of
>anti-Semitic thought, language or actions.
>
>I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in Washington,
>DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically
>Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to
>Look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very
>briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the
>gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and
>tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the
>betrayal,the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the Encounter
>with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final
>scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter,
>unlike anything I have ever experienced.
>
>In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph,
>"The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction
>within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my
>children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded,
>this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers"
in Washington, DC
>were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a
dry
>eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was
>now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully
>inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the
>kind that makes heaven touch earth.
>
>One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A
>brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the
>cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to
>him, she
>flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road
>outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall,
>she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her
>with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us
>through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These
are
>words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of
>Revelations. Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the
>wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face,
>His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful.
>They had been borne voluntarily for love. At the end of the film, after we
>had all had a chance! to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The
>unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as
>astounding as the compliments were effusive. The questions included the
>one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet
>even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be
'anti-Semitic?"
>Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the
Passion"
>it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I
>admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After
>watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it
>even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. "It doesn't." he
continued
>"It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus." I agree. There is
not a
>scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If
>there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells
>the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly
>engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the
>film or have
>another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a "Christian"
film,
>in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as
>followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will
>deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its
>producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to
>the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior than we are all
>in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and
>Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the
>greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women.
>The greatest right is the right to hear the truth. We would all be well
>advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion"
is so
>faith-full were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose
life
>and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is
>not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather
>than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to
>promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's film making
>masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as
>possible. I intend to do
>everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The
>Passion."
>

>

>
>"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take...but by the
>moments that take our breath away!"