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I was wondering about that to, the big and slow pokes thru the deer and is lethal but does not scramble the insides as much so not as quickly lethal. Deer are not that big.
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I'd feel pretty confident shooting a deer at point blank range with a 22 that had a muzzle velocity with a 62 gr. TSX of 1900fps or 75 gr. Scirocco at 2100 fps, the speed either fired from a 223 will be at 400 yards. Of course you can add a couple hundred fps to those 400 yard impact velocities via bigger cased .224's.
But I get the gist of using more rifle for big bodied/open country type hunting.
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They work fine for hunting pets but I would not even consider taking one on a 'serious' deer hunt. Not with all the better choices available.
400 yards on a big, spooky deer and I'll take my .270 or .300WSM anyday over a .223. Not even a question.
Especially since, at four hundred yards, a .223 is going about as fast as a .22 lr at point blank range. A 75gr Swift is doing damn near 2200fps at that distance, not sure what 22LR you are shooting that slings a 75gr bullet at 2200fps but sounds interesting.
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Probably the new 22LR AI.
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30 degree shoulder and 0 body taper ?
The only thing wrong with the 270....Its not a 25-06.
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I don't know the specifics but I hear it's faster than hell....grin
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I hear it feeds like chit just like a WSM . 
The only thing wrong with the 270....Its not a 25-06.
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Maybe a 17HMR Ackley Belted?
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You musta heard that from a Kimber owner.....
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No matter what they say, a 223 just ain't as cool as a 30-06.
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Cartridges ain't cool, it's the user.........
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Maybe a 17HMR Ackley Belted? The belt alone adds about 200 fps doesn't it ?
The only thing wrong with the 270....Its not a 25-06.
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You can drive a Mercedes Sedan up a mountain switchback....that does not make it the tool for the job.
I know 22's kill them,and do very well with modern bullets.I was frankly amazed by what the 62 gr TSX did on Steelhead's deer.But day in and day out,under all conditions,I'll take a 30/06.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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You can drive a Mercedes Sedan up a mountain switchback....that does not make it the tool for the job.
I know 22's kill them,and do very well with modern bullets.I was frankly amazed by what the 62 gr TSX did on Steelhead's deer.But day in and day out,under all conditions,I'll take a 30/06. +1....no substitute for diameter and weight..and my wife uses a .223 as a backup..but not as a primary..but to each his own..thats what makes this a cool place...just my inflation riddeled .02..
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Click "Ignore"..get rid of the whore..
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Huh. This us a change of tune for you. Guess there really US a reason to choose (say) a .270 with all these .223's around. Glad to see you've come to your senses... My opinion to the original poster, since he asked, is "no". :-) Don't matter none what folks use. Would I take my 223AI on a $6K guided mule deer hunt, probably not, but as I said before I'd not want to be a critter if that is what I had. I've seen plenty of deer drop to one and I'm also not a long distance shooter on deer, I like getting close, so I guess it suites me fine.
Still contend that dead is dead and the last two black bears I shot were with something your kids in KS wouldn't use on deer. Course if I only had a 10 day gun season I might just use a bazooka.
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Huh. This us a change of tune for you. Guess there really US a reason to choose (say) a .270 with all these .223's around. Glad to see you've come to your senses... My opinion to the original poster, since he asked, is "no". :-) Don't matter none what folks use. Would I take my 223AI on a $6K guided mule deer hunt, probably not, but as I said before I'd not want to be a critter if that is what I had. I've seen plenty of deer drop to one and I'm also not a long distance shooter on deer, I like getting close, so I guess it suites me fine.
Still contend that dead is dead and the last two black bears I shot were with something your kids in KS wouldn't use on deer. Course if I only had a 10 day gun season I might just use a bazooka. The only reason is because where I'm going hunting the 223 ain't allowed. Figured you'd swallow again.
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Liar. Read your own post.
Nice try though.
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Again, a guy with no experience on the subject.
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One of the quickest deer deaths I've ever seen was a doe I killed with a 22LR.
If circumstances could be controlled to give me that same shot every time, i'd hunt deer with a 22LR. But they can't.
The CENTER will hold.
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What if the 30-06 had blue tape over the muzzle? Would it still be better ?
The only thing wrong with the 270....Its not a 25-06.
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