Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Its possible that a .223 works on deer better than 30-06?

the MAJOR thing you need to remember is KINETIC energy; a .223 will only supply a limited amount of this energy at range;

go shoot your neighbor's cat with a bb gun, then shoot it with your .223;

go shoot an ELK with your .223 and he will run into the following month;

you want to 'humanly' kill your game; and not have to track it for that afore mentioned month;

you want to kill it outright if at all possible;

the bigger the game, the more energy is required;

the .223 was designed to 'injure',and not necessarily kill;

and was never developed as a hunting round; it was developed to
injure and maim humans;

It was developed to kill people. Saying otherwise is to embrace a particularly enduring myth.

Thank you RyanScott; If you want to kill deer, and not be afraid
of recoil, I raised all three of my boys on my good old standby
.270 with 130 gr. bullet; .243 might do on does on head shots, but I would not shoot anything less;

kill them quick, with the right equipment;

I would never shoot at a deer with a .223;

for all you naysayers out there, check out the twist of any .223
barrel; the round tumbles after about 100 yds; It's designed to tumble and fragment after hitting anything; even a blade of grass
will cause the round to fragment; Hits your finger, and tears up your hand; That's what it's supposed to do; Not designed to kill deer;

Wow,the knowledge of some could half fill a thimble...

I'd never use a 270 on elk

this just gets better and better...

That is one accurate tumbling bullet then to kill varmints out to 400+ in factory config, AI it an the possibilties are endless.

surely you jest

Oh my...

Welcome to the fire sir. You might find it more rewarding to type a little less and read a little more on this topic. When I say read a little more I would tend to listen to the people with all the pictures of dead animals.

The guy is either trolling or is like some of my old students, can't pass algebra but wants to argue calculus.

My thoughts exactly......

Was that read in F+S or at the Holiday Inn Express???????


George

And here I thought I was shooting nice clover leaf groups at 300, but apparently it was just two that hit close and crossed one another during the tumble.

Now, if I could just figure out what happened to the other one???

It's like knife throwing, if you can match the end-over-end to the distance they'll hit point on.

And to think all this time that I was under the impression that Ryon Scott was pretty dog gone knowledgable on guns, now I find out he doesn't even know that the .223 was designed to tumble!

Oh btw, the .223 bullets are NOT designed to tumble..Only the military metal case rounds tumble and they can't be depended on to do that, although they do from time to time. somebodys been reading the military guide to wounding the enemy, and like most gov. publications its wroght with ideology!

Not all of Canada...Centerfire 22's are completely legal in BC to take anything from mice to grizzlies or moose...(But not wild Bison).

22 rimfires are illegal for all big game hunting....

Guys, if you want use a .223 Rem or 7.62x39 to hunt deer have at it.
Can you kill deer with them? Of course you can, with a well placed shot.
I don't like either cartridge, mainly because of the original platforms they were chambered in.
I don't like the original AR platform or the AK platform, mainly because I spent a year in a target rich environment shooting one and being shot at by the other.
If you want use these cartridges and platforms by all means have at it. It is a free county. But I'm not using the damn things, too many bad memories.
Oh by the way I do have a varmint rifle chambered for the .223 but it in a different platform.

Again welcome to the fire Mike, I hope you stick around, there are a lot of people with a lot of knowledge here, it has benefited my hunting and shooting skills to participate in this forum as I hope it will benefit you, there is a lot of knowledge here. You have to understand that there are a lot of notions surrounding firearms of various types that have been foisted onto the unsuspecting public thru a variety of media including our always accurate News folks, and yet many of them are dead wrong. You appear to have heard a few of these notions and accepted them. This is a good place to listen and learn.

nevermind...I'm not gettin involved.