Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Noticed somthing real interesting about the ammo shortage

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I'ld be a professional Pitbull shooter, possibly in FL.

I don't agree with your interpretation of the Constitution. I will give you a huge amount of credit on quitting before taking people's guns. I couldn't believe a fine bunch of boys like the Oklahoma National Guard would be a party to it, yet evidently they were. Very high praise to you Hunter for having the ethics to quit. Perhaps I've been too harsh on you at times.

To answer your question, I'd probably starve...lol

Actually no more than I make in USDA payments, it wouldn't effect my lifestyle a bit. Since you so graciously answered my loaded question, I'll go a bit farther. I get money from the government for CRP, which is paying me for NOT raising crops. It seems like a bogus program, but actually there are some advantages to it. Much land that never should have been in production, IMO, went out. There is a lot of land in southeast Kansas that is decent land. It will produce right up there with lots of Missouri and Southern Illinois land if the rains come. Usually, they don't and therein lies the problem. These lands are now grown up in native grasses and are excellent game sanctuaries. Lots of deer lay up in the grass and are never seen by hunters because most hunters prefer the woods. They look at a sea of grass and think it is barren. But you're talking seven-foot switchgrass and Indian Grass, not to mention Big and Little Bluestem, Rye, Buffalo Grass and many other grasses and forbs. Many of the grasses, prairie flowers and other cover that I planted were plants which were getting to be very uncommon due to their being wiped out by modern, large-scale agriculture. So the government is not completely off by offering this program. I have no doubt that I lost money by not having the lands I've got in CRP in production during the spike in commodities prices. I think, year-in and year-out though, that I've been ahead by participating. I resisted participation for many years because I didn't believe in it. I came to the conclusion though, that I was just shorting myself and my family as the government was going to do it anyway.

As to other government subsidies in agriculture, there are two sides to it. I tend to think they are mainly wasteful as they are fraught with corruption. I know farmers around here that not only don't need it, but who cheat in order to get more. I feel like such ones are nothing but scum.

Sounds pretty "Socialist" to me, PPP&PPPP

"Piss Poor Planning & Preparedness Prevents Proper Performance"

From the north country, stock up now ,walk soft, go unseen. In the end you will not regret.

Well, it seems folks here have put to rest the question of why its impossible to find powder, components, and loaded ammo at the local outlet.

I got to say, that some of you guys really do need some medical help! The reality is that fear based purchasing/hoarding exceeds the supplies on the shelves almost immediately. There logically isn't enough powder,primers, brass or factory loaded ammo on store shelves for every single firearm owner to run out and buy up a stockpile. And that is exactly what has happened since October. And now we are playing a crazy game of catchup till either the fear subsides, or crazy [bleep] have enough ammo to believe they can take on the U.S. military or an entire law enforcement agency on their own. I assure you that once shots are fired you'll have a hail storm of chit rained down upon you till the shooting ceases. The only thing that pisses me off is that I cant buy a new caliber rifle of any sort now, because there aint no [bleep] ammo or reloading supplies left on the shelves. So mission accomplished for the paranoid, the shelves are empty!

I checked my local gun shop last friday(3/6/09) and Blazer 9mm ammo-brass cases & fmj bullets- was going for $20.04 a box. 380 ammo was going for $38.00 and rem 22 LR thunderbolts was $24.99 for 500.
WalMart might have helped the local supply by catching a guy buying everything they had and then re selling it without the proper license/permits.
I remember an older gentleman telling me in 1976 that the government would not take our guns because of the resulting revolt but they would price them and ammo out of the market. Looks like his predictions might be coming true.

Do you think that the ammo and reloading component shortage is all do to hoarding? I wonder if the manufacturers are holding back production, waiting to see what possible new laws are created.
A 'lead' ban alone would cancel out 85% of current supplies.

It's always good to be reminded of that. Thanks.

That deserves a repost.