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Mtn iron of coarse!!

How close is the AI to the 284?

The AI would feed better right?

I'd go 7mm-08AI (because I have one) ... but also because if in a jam, it's likely a LOT easier to find 7mm-08 factory ammo, which will shoot perfectly fine in a properly chambered AI ...

I'm not really sure how much difference there is betwixt the two, but I'm quite sure a 7mm-08AI will kill things dead enough for you ...

Speed wise both about the same, as for feeding I'd bet each and every time on the AI feeding better.

Dober

Why make life hard?

Get a 280...

Lol..

I would but looking short action in either a Ti or a Montana.

Think the magbox is a touch longer in the Ti?

The Kimber 84 action can't handle the 284 case width-wise... 7-08 AI would work.

I'd prefer the Kimber over a Ti any day, but that's my bias.

Ah..

CRF guy?

That, and the fact the Ti has a chopped glass POS stock. The Kimber is laid glass cloth with pillars and will equal a McMillan or Bansner quality-wise.

The Kimber is a "$500" stock... the Ti is a "$150" stock...

I see this a bit differently than my good friend Brad does, not saying his way or mine is wrong, we just have differing ways to look at this.

That said.

I know that the Montana handled is supposed to be made better, but I've yet to ever hear of a Ti handle that gave people issues. I've known more than a few to be opened up to handle a larger tube, and I've known of quite a lot of them to be hunted very hard and nary an issue with them. But like anything else, I spose there are some story's out there about someone having issues with them. (I mean it is man made right...)

I guess if it were for me tween the Ti and the Montana it'd come down to which one I preferred how it handled more so than what the two stocks were made of. I am very comfy that either one can take most anything that we'd ever give them in hunt situations. I'm 4 thinking that in order to have serious issues with one it'd have to involve a nag, and then either stock is gonna buckle if given the pony test. (but then again so is any other stock made to date)

To me, the Montana handled is a slimmer more petite stock, and the Ti handle is a bit chubbier and yet I really like it as well.
I'd say not wrong just different.

Personally I like the notion of going with a standard contour barreled 700 and sticking it in a Ti take off. You'll save two or three truck loads of cheddar and will have a gun with enough weight out front to satisfy even me...grin

If you wish for a smallish mtn type of gun take a look at a 700 Youth with it's 20" standard contour tube and wrap a Ti handle around it for $150. It'll be about 7 lbs all up, and will most likely shoot circles around either the Montana and or the stock Ti. (so to speak that is...grin)

Bottom line, you can't go wrong with either option. This is kind of like picking out the lady for you, you have to see what fits you.

Good luck in your decision

Dober

oughtsix,

I would choose the rifle first and then use the cartridge that fits that rifle.

I suggest the Kimber 84M over the Rem. for these reasons.

The Kimber has a three position safety that allows the chamber to be unloaded on safe and it also locks the bolt closed. The Kimber safety locks the firing pin and not just the trigger like the Rem.

The Kimber has a superior extractor and a superior ejector.

The Kimber has a bolt handle thats mechanically attached and not just brazed on.

Other than these features I suggest that you handle each rifle and see which one fits you best.

Wonder what size shoe horn these guys used? Wonder if it'll hold up?

Kimber 84M 6/284

I like Remington personally so I'd like a Ti if I could get it, however the price and quality of the Kimber is tempting, especially in 7mm-08. For the price, you'd have a hard time matching the weight of the Montana I think. If I were getting a Montana, I'd probably get a 7mm WSM, just because. If doing the Ti, I'd go 7mm-08 AI.

everyone I know with a Kimber Montucky 7WSM can hardly put it down ... they love them as much or more than any other 'sporter' style lightweight rifle they've ever had ...

one day I'll try to pick one up, but I just can quite justify it right now ...

I had one (Montana 7 wsm), and it was very easy for me to put it down and to sell it.

But then again I am totally blessed to own a G33/40 in .270...

Dober

Same here, as I currently have a 7mm-08 and 280 that I both want AI'd, I can't justify a 7WSM.

Brad, I don't think that is any $500.00 stock, but it's better than the Ti and I still own a Ti stock.

I've got the itch for a 284 Win. Love short actions with a Wyatts
central feed box that can seat a cartridge out to 3.00".
That center feed box is superior to any feeding device today.
Makes any peculiar round slick feed with ease.
So, no excuses for sharp shouldered rounds.

Load with RL17 and watch your 284 match 280 ballistics.

If your going to go AI for speed then why not go 284 for even more?

"If your going to go AI for speed then why not go 284 for even more? "

My thoughts when I first saw the post or topic. Still my feelings. 284 is the only caliber I would consider if I were going to build a short action 27 or 28 cal gun. If it can be done in a short CRF action one would have one heck of a cool mountain rifle set up.

If I can't get it done with a standard 7/08 (140/29-2950), I want a 338 bore. That's just me. But the WSM fans make a point, for Ultra Long RANGE, a WSM will get you there, in factory trim. A few 1,000 yd shooters are using them also. 180 Bergers.....fly real well.

284=280, but in a short action.
284-better than 7-08AI..
I have a 284..

I'm not 101% positive, but I'm pretty darn sure that if both are run to sane pressures that there won't be a lick of diff tween the AI and the 284.

Dober