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Guys, I'm into the .204 Ruger with a couple of Kimbers and have tried 40gr V-Max, 40gr. 40gr. BTips and 40gr. Berger HP's. All are very accurate - no real winner as of yet but I'll be moving to the 200 yard line next week. So, I want to standardize to one bullet and prefer the 40gr as it will buck the wind better. Convince me if I'm wrong on that. Just a little unscientific survey on what the 204 shooters out there are using. So far I have had good success with 27gr. Varget but there is a pound of Benchmark just sitting there. Your thoughts?
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If you are looking for small groups,at least with a Kimber, the 35 Berger and 39 BlitzKing shoot just silly.
BenchMark and H4895 worked well for me.
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Bigwhoop: Using the top safe loads for the 32 grain Nosler bullet and the 40 grain Nosler bullet (source: Nosler Reloading Guide #6, published 2,007) out at 450 yards the 32 grain bullets are flying 4.7" FLATTER than the 40 grainers (24.1" vs. 28.8" with 100 yard zero's)! Thats a significant difference. And in a ten m.p.h. crosswind out there at 450 yards the 40 grain bullet is flying ONLY 1.3" straighter than the 32 grainer (25.0" vs. 26.3"!). Thats a very minor difference. I have 5 Varminters in 204 Ruger and use the 32 grain bullets now exclusively in each of them. I have YET to find an "in-accurate" bullet for any of my 204's handloads! AND this includes 3 very accurate varieties of factory ammo I have shot to some extent to date in all of my 204's! I second someone elses appreciation of the superb accuracy of the 35 grain Bergers as well! Over-all this is the most accurate bullet in 4 out of 5 of my 204's! I have as not yet used them in the fifth Rifle. The reason I had to quit using them exclusively is because they are very hard to come by here in remote SW Montana! Sounds like you MAY have your mind made up - but, I say spend some time on a good ballistics, computer site and compare the 32's, 35's and the 40's! THEN use them all for several years (as I have) in the field, on Varmints! I strongly suggest you give the 32 grain bullets a fair chance in your 204! You may be surprised (pleasantly - as I was!) - go with the 32 grainers is my advice. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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If you are looking for small groups,at least with a Kimber, the 35 Berger and 39 BlitzKing shoot just silly.
BenchMark and H4895 worked well for me. X 2. The 39 BK is my all time favorite for the small critters and the 35 berger is my main staple for yotes. I use the same powders above as well as RL-10X
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Varmint Guy, Thanks for your time in explaining the differences. I have Nosler #6. My mind isn't made up - I was just leaning in a direction. My local source (Gunstop: 952-474-0211)has stacks of Bergers so I'll be trying them. I will stick with the Varget for now so as not to cloud the results with testing more than one component at a time. Hawk, Also thanks, more info to digest which is what I like.
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My 204 Savage Predator prefers the 32gr Sierra Blitzking with benchmark.Rick.
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I got the "best" results with the 32 and 39 BKs. One important factor is the BK has a shorter boat tail and longer shank, with that factory throat in the next county, it was the only bullet that didn't take a giant flying leap. (M77MK2TGT) I've had the barrel replaced, then had THAT one set back and rechambered by Greg Tannel with a 233 neck. But like a moron, I didn't have Greg disappear the entire chamber...it's STILL way too fat at the back end.
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I just got done doing a retest with my .204 since I ran out of the primers I'd been using and had to switch. My gun's best load for accuracy is a 39 grain Sierra over 27.0 grains of Varget, OAL = 3.250. It shot very well with Fed 205Ms and WSRs in the past and now with Rem 7-1/2s. With the WSR and Fed 205, 27.5 grains didn't shoot all that well with the Sierra, but with the Rem 7-1/2, it gave definitely useful accuracy, still under half inch for 5 shots. My normal heavy bullet load is a Nosler 40 grain with 27.5 grains of Varget. Any of the above primers works well. While I was at it, I did some testing with Benchmark. It did so-so with the Sierra bullet especially with the 24.0 grain starting load. Definitely opened up considerably as I worked up in half grain steps to the book max of 26.0. The Nosler didn't shoot well with Benchmark. Well, relatively speaking. It was still 3/4 MOA or better, but the Varget loads were in the .3s and low .4s. Soon as I get some 40 grain Hornadys (currently on backorder) I'll run the same loads again with them. For 32s, I shoot 28.0 grains of H335 under Nosler or Hornady bullets. Rem 7-1/2 primers. I've never had a problem with Varget, but I pierced primers shooting H335 and have destroyed 2 $225 Jewell triggers. I haven't tried the 32 grain Sierras and I don't shoot the 39s much, they're not available over the counter here so I mostly shoot Hornady. Tom
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t o m, What brand of case stretcher are you using to get an oal of 3.25?.........
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I'm sure that's a typo and he means 2.250". Taking Varmint Guys suggestion, I tried some 35gr. Berger Hp's this morning. I used 28gr. of Varget with a WSR and an OAL of 2.250". Chrony averaged 3562fps. Center to center of a five shot group was 5/8". Sorry, I have dial-up and pics take a very long time. That was is a new Kimber Pro Varmint.
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I have had very good luck with the Sierra 39 BK and H4895 in my two Savage 204s. I admit that since the 39s shot so well I never played with the 32 grain bullets. I did try the Berger 35s and my group almost doubled in size, but is a better coyote round I think.
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i've got another question about 204 bullets. my gun shoots 32 gr and 40 gr v max's great. theonly thing i've had a chance to shoot with the 204 so far is magpies with the 32 gr bullet. at 50 yards it explodes them, at a hundred yards it just puts a hole through them . i realize a magpie doesn't present a lot of resitance to upset the bullet. wondering how the various bullets compare on squirrels or p.d's
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My Savage likes 32gr hornady or Nosler over the 40gr ones and likes Benchmark.
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t o m, What brand of case stretcher are you using to get an oal of 3.25?......... That would be Typo brand. I have a lot of that on hand and distribute it widely. Sorry, think that was to say 2.35"
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My 84M Varmint shoots the 39gr BK's very well using H322. I've not used them on any coyotes, but really like the Blitz Kings for prairie dogs!
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For 32s, I shoot 28.0 grains of H335 under Nosler or Hornady bullets. Rem 7-1/2 primers. I've never had a problem with Varget, but I pierced primers shooting H335 and have destroyed 2 $225 Jewell triggers.
I am just getting into reloading for rifle and the 204. I shoot a tikka .204 Please explain the above comment.
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I shoot a tikka .204 varmint rifle. With factory ammo it likes the 32 g hornady the best by far.
I would assume the 32's and a gut, shoulder, spine or lung shot would equal dead dog. But haven't done it.
Does any guy with experience know the bigger bullets would do best on coyotes?
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I think the 40 gr nosler will prove to be a good yote bullet , but I've only shot one with it so far......otherwise , the 35 and 40 gr Bergers have a good rep with those who have used them alot.
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yuppers on the 40 gr. nozlers......... And less drift at range compared to the 32's. Of any flavor......
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I go with 39 Grain Sierra's they group awsome and seem to be the most accurate for me.
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