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#3158392 - 07/16/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: Mississippi]  
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Really??? And i thought that the 350 rem mag was the original "short" mag, huh go figure....

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#3158522 - 07/16/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: DarkStar]  
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Nah... everybody knows that the 257 AI came before the 350 RM wink .


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#3158751 - 07/16/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: PreciousLiberty]  
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I have a 338-06 built on a S&W "C" (Husqvarna 8000/9000 action) with a 23" barrel that I really like. It shoots 210 grain Partitions really well and I think that I'd feel well armed for anything from antelope through grizzlies with this rifle/cartridge/bullet combination.

Since a 338-06 isn't a target or varmint cartridge, I think that the small gain in case capacity and the advantage of less trimming of the AI version is probably not very significant to most people. I've owned my 338-06 for over 10 years and have yet to fire the 500th round through it. The original set of 100 Winchester/Olin cases is still in use and the only time that they were trimmed was after the 1st time they were fired.

I built this rifle, along with its twin in 256 Newton, so that I could hunt North America armed with S&W firearms; revolver, rifle, and shotgun. For some reason I thought that it would be fun/interesting/cool to do that, but now it doesn't seem so fun/interesting/cool to do so. I was thinking in terms of a S&W 624 in 44 Special, S&W Cs in 22-250, 256 Newton, 30-06, and 338-06, and a S&W 1000 in 12 Gauge.

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#3158988 - 07/16/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: 260Remguy]  
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Now that PreciousLiberty has bought the 338-06 in the classifieds, his sleepless nights of pondering cartridges are over, temporarily......

#3159777 - 07/16/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: aalf]  
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I'd be willing to bet that he started pondering another cartridge or two before he even bought that '06 wink .


Don't you ever wonder why
In spite of all that's wrong here
There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

The thunder rolls and the baby sighs
And the rain comes down
Don't you wanta thank someone for this?
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#3161525 - 07/17/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: efw]  
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Ha, well good to see this started an interesting thread at least.

Actually I'm done pondering cartridges for a bit, time to do some load workup now...hunting season starts next month!

I ended up not going the AI route. That means I won't have to worry about feeding issues or reduced mag capacity. I guess I'm glad to see a couple recent posts supporting that idea, at least taking the rifle to Africa will be a possibility if I ever make the trip. The data at Hodgdon's site make the regular .338-06 look pretty good.

I won't miss being able to load up to .338 WM levels. If I need something more than the .338-06, it'll be to hunt big bears or the Big 5, and it'll be a .375.


#3161530 - 07/17/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: PreciousLiberty]  
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I pretty much just used H4350 and R15 in my 338/06, for what that's worth.

And the 200 Horn sp was big time scarry accurate in mine, of course it's also been so in every type of 33 I've ever shot it thru.

As for big bruins, I'd gladly take the 338/06 after them.

Dober


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#3161878 - 07/17/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: Mark R Dobrenski]  
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Well PL, you have started on a subject near and dear to my heart. Mine started out a 284 win. on the L61R action! I already had a 284 win on a FN action, so I thought I don't need 2 of them so lets build something cool! I was shooting a lot of pigs in central CA. and wanted a gun for the big ones! I had just miss getting a 338/06 on a 721 rifle with dies, brass, and some bullets for 400.00! So I set out to built one on the SAKO. Bought the barrel, reamer and dies and went to work! I have been shooting the Ackley for some 15 years now and never looked back! I shoot mostly Nosler 210 gr. Part. in my 338/06 AI, you would be suprised to see how flat this round shoots! If I ever quit working and get to hunt, I am ready for whatever comes down the trail!


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#3162195 - 07/17/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: PreciousLiberty]  
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The 338-06 needs no "improving" IME... been there, done that. Great round.

If you want more than the 338-06 get a 338 WM. Been there done that too.

The 338 WSM is a nice oddity... have certainly shot Dobers, but the reality is it's a poorer feeding 338-06+P that holds less down. It's not as good as the 338-06 or the 338 WM IMO... FWIW.


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#3162203 - 07/17/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: PreciousLiberty]  
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Well said.

I'm in the load development stage and have done a bit of research.

Here is the link to a couple of threads that might be helpful to you:

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3099470/1

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3103353/1

The most accurate load I've worked up so far has been the 200 gr Interlock w/ 54 gr of RL-15. I didn't get good results accuracy-wise with H380, but found that my POS Hornady FLS was oversizing necks causing runout, so that may have been the cause.

Another helpful tool I always utilize is this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=794498

I've been very intrigued by the velocity results listed for BLC-(2) and the big game potential of the 215 gr SGK. I got decent accuracy results from 59 gr of BLC-(2), the 200 gr Ballistic Silvertip, and CCI-250s, and am working more with those right now.

If you'd like me to email you the information I've collected I'd be happy to. Just send me a PM w/ your email.

I'm really interested to see what you come up with.


Don't you ever wonder why
In spite of all that's wrong here
There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

The thunder rolls and the baby sighs
And the rain comes down
Don't you wanta thank someone for this?
-Andrew Peterson
#3162593 - 07/17/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: efw]  
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I have used R-19 but found IMR 4350 to be the best in my SAKO 26" bbl. I have never had a feeding problem with the L61R action with the 338/06 AI! Compressed loads and never a sign of pressure! I don't quote weights, but from 100 yrds to 350 hardly need any hold over! Just one mans doings, the improved part is not for speed, its for consistency, and that equals tight groups!


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#3170262 - 07/21/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: Otis]  
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Thanks for all the load data and other thoughts guys.

Unfortunately, the seller has backed out and I'm probably going to wait 'til next year to build a rifle. frown

Nothing too interesting on GB or GA, please PM me if you run into a M70 CRF type action based .338-06 (AI) for sale.


#3173306 - 07/22/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: PreciousLiberty]  
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I will stay with the 338 Win. It is about as well balanced as any caliber I know of and its in the same action as the 338-06 and I can't tell any difference in recoil between the two..If I want one of the other .338 calibers mentioned then I could just load down to those specs..My present 338 weighs 8.5 lbs. with a 24 inch barrel. I have trouble deciding if I like the .338 or the 9.3x62 the best. I suppose the .338 would win out on that one??

Probably if push came to shove I'd go with the .338 Win. as my one and only caliber. It has served me so well and I have shot up to a Cape Buffalo with it.

Bottom line is it will do anything any other .338 caliber will do and it does it better, all things considered, IMO..

My two chosen loads are the 210 Nosler at 3005 FPS and the 300 gr. Woodligh at 2500 FPS, both shoot to the same POI other than the 210 is an inch higher, but that works perfect putting the 210 gr. 3" high at 100 and the 300 gr. 2 inches high at 100 with no change in the sight in...

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#3173734 - 07/22/09 Re: .338-06 AI vs. .338 WSM? [Re: PreciousLiberty]  
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Very sorry to hear that man!

This 338 has been an absolute joy through which to develop loads.



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In spite of all that's wrong here
There's still so much that goes so right
And beauty abounds?

The thunder rolls and the baby sighs
And the rain comes down
Don't you wanta thank someone for this?
-Andrew Peterson
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