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No joke. U.S. Supreme case from the 1880 spell out why Obama is not citizen is spelled out why he does not meet the qualifications of a citizen of the United States of America. Nobody will speak about. Forget the birth certificate. Case
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So, Obama was really born a member of native American tribe?
I don't see the legal argument on this one.
I would stick with the birth certificaste issue, it's a better argument.
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no, but since he left the US and renounced his citizenship he gave up all title to be a US citizen.
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Just going off recollection here but I have never seen any hard evidence that he ever renounced his citizenship. Do you have a link?
My recollection is that the law does not allow a parent to relinquish a minors citizenship on their behalf, but I could be wrong.
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If he is in fact, not an American citizen and it is brought to light, I can see all Hell breaking loose in this country.
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Just going off recollection here but I have never seen any hard evidence that he ever renounced his citizenship. Do you have a link?
My recollection is that the law does not allow a parent to relinquish a minors citizenship on their behalf, but I could be wrong. he was adopted by an Indonesian Muslim, you are automatically a citizen in that case, better go look at indonesian law NEBassman. May not have been his choice, but his mom screwed him......and Royally!
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If he is in fact, not an American citizen He's not, or he'd be forthright in bringing the proper document forward to prove he is.. and it is brought to light, Lawsuits are still ongoing.. No matter what P-BO and his minions spend to keep it quashed, eventually the truth will come out.. I can see all Hell breaking loose in this country. One can only hope, in this case...
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when he went to school his "dad" registered him as an indonesian citizen as well. no mention of the US
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Just going off recollection here but I have never seen any hard evidence that he ever renounced his citizenship. Do you have a link?
My recollection is that the law does not allow a parent to relinquish a minors citizenship on their behalf, but I could be wrong. he was adopted by an Indonesian Muslim, you are automatically a citizen in that case, better go look at Indonesian law NEBassman. May not have been his choice, but his mom screwed him......and Royally! My recollection is based on discussions of relevant US law, not Indonesian law. Sorry, I am not well versed in the intricacies of law and dual citizenship's and such but I am willing to listen. Here is a write up in Politico from last year, thus my doubts and not getting my hopes up on this issue. I find it funny that the birth certificate issue really got started by Hillary supporters. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15106.htmlProbably the most widely e-mailed Obama "tip" at the moment alleges that he isn't a natural-born American citizen and thus isn't eligible to run for president. This began in the die-hard pro-Hillary section of the blogosphere, which spent part of the summer discussing laws that deal with the citizenship of a child with one American parent born abroad. When it emerged that this challenge wouldn't hold water if Obama had been born in the United States, the focus shifted to the allegation that he had been born outside the United States.
In August, a Pennsylvania lawyer, Philip Berg, filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia. Berg, who also has been active in arguing that there was "government complicity" in the attack on the World Trade Center, demanded that the court force Obama to produce his original birth certificate. The court dismissed the lawsuit.
So why isn't this getting wide coverage? Well, first, there's lots of evidence that Obama was born in the United States, and none that he wasn't. The campaign handed over an official copy of his short-form birth certificate � the standard document produced by the Hawaii Department of Health � to Factcheck.org. And Poliltico has confirmed the authenticity of a contemporaneous announcement of his birth in the Honolulu Advertiser.
Berg fights on, though, on a website with supporters known as ChileMan, ChileWoman and MommaERadioRebels. He recently told conservative talk radio host Michael Savage that he has an audiotape of Obama's Kenyan grandmother recalling the candidate's birth in a Kenyan hospital.
"l'll release it in a day or two," he said six days ago.
A spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, Janice Okubo, said she's forbidden by state law from releasing birth certificates, but directed a reporter to the FactCheck.org item dismissing the rumors.
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You cannot be President and a dual citizen.
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no, but since he left the US and renounced his citizenship he gave up all title to be a US citizen. The only thing I've seen that this "might" relate to in regards to Obama is when they lived in Indonesia. He attended public school, and Indonesian law only allows Indonesian citizens to do so. You also can't hold dual citizenship in Indonesia. So, some hold the theory that his mother renounced her US citizenship (she was married to an Indonesian at the time, so not so far-fetched as it sounds) and this would also apply to Obama. It's also thought that Obama might have had financial aid as a foreign student (citizen of Indonesia) in college, but all college records are sealed. It's also thought that he travelled to Pakistan and other countries as a college student under an Indonesian passport. But all Indonesian records regarding Obama are sealed.. Lots of if's in there. The whole thing would be stupid conspiracy theory except for the fact that ALL records are sealed. Indonesia. Kenya. Occidental and Columbia colleges. Long form birth record.. Somewhere in the middle of all that smoke and mirror is some kind of fire.
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yes, and the other embarrassment there is that he probably designated himself as a Muslim on those documents
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If he is in fact, not an American citizen He's not, or he'd be forthright in bringing the proper document forward to prove he is.. and it is brought to light, Lawsuits are still ongoing.. No matter what P-BO and his minions spend to keep it quashed, eventually the truth will come out.. I can see all Hell breaking loose in this country. One can only hope, in this case... Lee, Agreed on all counts.
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If he is in fact, not an American citizen and it is brought to light, I can see all Hell breaking loose in this country. i think not... at least not in regards to this issue... the man has far bigger problems than this....
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yes, and the other embarrassment there is that he probably designated himself as a Muslim on those documents he may well have, as there seems to be a reality disconnect in his mind... he is not islamic in any sense, though... he is far too liberal on core issues... islamic adherents might politically promote him for his qualities as a destabilizing agent, which he surely is...
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I'm just guessing here, but based on a life's experience of dealing with the occasional liar, it has been my observation that those folks pale at the thought of disclosure and that complexion says more about the truth than anything else. If the Messiah has no skid marks on his background the records would not be sealed. He is hiding something, there is no other possible conclusion to reach. A reasonable person would lay this issue to rest but he cannot. Therefore the fire will continue to burn hotly over this. Someday the truth will be known, but that is not today.
I am..........disturbed.
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he was too young to able to make an informed choice when he lived in indonesia, therfore the claim that he renounced his citizenship will be invalid in a court. the idea that a 9 month old preganant woman boarded an intercontinental flight without any paper trail is more the direction i would argue. but its still unsubstantiated without verifiable documented proof. say an airplane manifest from kenya showing Obamas mother and an infant listed or something along those lines.
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I want to point out why he is not a U.S. citizen. The example the Supreme Court is priceless and has perfect understanding. Even though Elk was born on this land, he was not eligible for U.S. citizenship. Because his Father was not a U.S. citizen. There has been much hanky panky going on for a long time with the birth certificate.Don't be fooled about where a person is born. It is all about the father's origin. READ the whole case from the link. This case has never been stuck down and is still good law.
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Strange when the tax man does an audit on me he knows every time I left the country and returned for the last 10 years but they can't find when this fella-Obama became a landed immigrant. ???? Very strange indeed.
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