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Does this seem a fair deal and a good lower option to begin with,gents?

http://riflegear.com/p-576-lmt-defender-lower-with-sopmod-stock-and-two-stage-trigger.aspx

You can find better deals if you shop around but a bird in the hand.....

For 600 I'd want to know what trigger. The lowers are worth around 100 bucks these days, parts kit around maybe 75 or so. Then add that fancy stock, and the fancy trigger... and the rest of the parts to get there.

Used to be standard RRA lowers with 2 stage triggers were around 225. I don't think you'll find that anymore but its what it was.

OTOH you can't really go wrong with that other than possibly the pricing.

isaac, you might want to check this out, a fair price at todays market and just have the fellow building it fine tune and stone the standard trigger.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=134611021

Quite a bit. I still haven't had to change the battery in the very first ones we got. I also greatly prefer the 2MOA dot vice the 4.
As far as the M2 in concerned, I still use one. It works. I leave it on the second or third highest setting and just replace the batteries about every six months.




When were talking versatility it is very hard to beat a 2 minute Aimpoint in conjunction with a magnifier. If most of my shots are under 300m and they are likely to come at any range within that 300m, the dot+magnifier works very well.

issac, the LMT lower with SOPMOD stock and 2 stage trigger retails for just under $540. I love the SOPMOD stocks and the LMT 2 stage trigger is one of the good ones, not the best but a good one.

That setup would make a very good platform to build an accurate yet reliable gun. For me the SOPMOD stocks give me a cheekweld comparable to a good bolt action stock, has storage compartments for oil, batteries and such and still is adjustable.

TWR

Good info on the stock. Wasn't all the familiar with it.

Didn't know LMT did their own 2 stage.. something comparable to an RRA/Armalite, or a step lower like a Bushy/CLE, or a step above the RRA?

Does LMT do dealer stuff? Need to find if Armalite does dealer too for a friend after some AR10 stuff....

rost495, I have both the RRA and the LMT 2 stage triggers and both seem to be about equal. That being said I prefer a jewell or having the standard trigger reworked to my liking.
The SOMPOD stocks are the only way to go as far as I'm concerned and I have two guns using them and if I could afford it they would all have them. As TWR said the cheek weld is as close to a normal rifle as you can get.
It is funny watching isaac go through this AR build process as he really doesn't know whats in store for him once the bug bites him. The only end result is just how much money you want to spend building AR's I don't think there has been a time in the last 10-15 years that there has not been at least a half dozen complete AR's and enough parts to build a few more sitting in the gun room, heck I have parts I didn't even remember I had.

Jeff, LMT does setup direct dealer accounts and even gives a pretty good LE discount. Problem is like everyone else they are behind...

Even though I'm a dealer, I've never seen one of their 2 stage triggers to compare for myself. I've seen pics of course and seen lots of reviews, they are more expensive than retail on RR's. I remove the brad on the RR disconnector and replace it with a SS pin that is captured by the lower. (thanks to ADCO for the idea) Not really necassary but I like things bulletproof. LMT's option seems to be more rugged but again I ain't seen one in person.

As I've tried to say before, every piece of "bling" on my guns serves a purpose. The stock is tight, as in no wobble, zero, carries stuff and feels better than any other I've tried. Yes they are expensive but what ain't anymore? If it allows me to shoot better, it's money well spent.

Even their standard M4 stock is designed to take more abuse and lock up tight on the tube. I use their bolts and carriers or Colt for all my builds. Again I just like bulletproof stuff.

I wouldn't call that 2 stage thing Bushmaster makes a trigger.

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Jimmy,


Exact same stock as I posted but you found one cheaper, correct?

Thanks for the help gents. I think I'll buy my lower today. If the two you and I posted are the exact same thing Jimmy, I'll do the "Buy It Now" for 495 on the one you posted.

I don't have the trained eye for observation you boys have so I want to be certain. I can read and it appears they are the exact same lowers with one being a hundred bucks cheaper.

BMT....it was a pleasure speaking with you last night and I appreciate you taking time from your hectic schedule to help a dumbass out in this very fun project.

Great way to start. You are lucky to find one given the current backlog that exists at the moment.

Interesting, you couldn't give me a jewel or a tuned standard trigger.

issac, the one jimmy posted has the standard trigger in it. The trigger is $120 extra or so so the one you found would be a cheaper deal.

TWR...The one I posted had the 2 trigger system and was 599. I've not found the 545 price as of yet.

I have been using a Leupold 1.5-5X 30mm VX-III on my Bushmaster varmint rifle. It seems to be doing a fine job.

You likley won't. As stated you will pay a premium finding one in stock. I was wrong on the $540 price, that one has the ambidextrious safety (which I don't like) here's the retail price direct from LMT for the SOPMOD stock and 2 stage trigger and lower
http://www.lewismachine.net/product.php?p=27&cid=4&session=dc0d8ed0b8d0dbb0adea44afd24fca6c
but again they are way behind on orders and some dealers are adding a premium for in stock status.

Here's a great deal, Denny is a good guy.
http://global-tactical.com/lmtdefender2000withsopmodand2stagetriggerinstock.aspx

The in stock premium is just that.

If I HAD to have something right now, there is no option. I saw guy's paying 225 plus for stripped lowers... I just got in 2 AR10 lowers for 189 each.. and AR15 lowers are back to the 100 dollar area..

Just saying you gotta know how desperate you are at this time.

+1 on Denny and the deal.

BTW - what type of grip is that??

I was wondering if it was the Ergo grip myself. That's the grip I prefer.

Also, does the 2000 lower as to Denny's deal have any significance as opposed to the others that left that year? out?

I don't care if it was made by Jesus Christ, anyone paying that kind of money for a lower is getting ripped.